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		<title>By: Aston Lovell</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2013/01/04/freezing-wine/#comment-417329</link>
		<dc:creator>Aston Lovell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 05:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The freezer just before guests arrive. On one instance he let the time get away and when he tried to serve it the ice in the neck stopped any liquid from coming out. Best ever!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The freezer just before guests arrive. On one instance he let the time get away and when he tried to serve it the ice in the neck stopped any liquid from coming out. Best ever!</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2013/01/04/freezing-wine/#comment-405351</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 20:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeremy Seysses of Domaine Dujac tweeted this earlier today:: &quot;Cold stabilizing the Morey St Denis Blanc is easy enough at this time of year.&quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy Seysses of Domaine Dujac tweeted this earlier today:: &#8220;Cold stabilizing the Morey St Denis Blanc is easy enough at this time of year.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: gabe</title>
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		<dc:creator>gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2013 05:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sorry to be late to the comment thread, but I am taking a class on wine stabilization, and we just covered temperature today.

lower temperature will cause colloids to precipitate from wine, the most common one being tartrates.  As some people have already mentioned, this can cause the wine to change flavor, texture, and pH.  

the temperature for this reaction is dependent on a variety of factors; an average winery will usually cold-stabilize their wines between 5 and -5 celcius - basically freezing the wine then filtering it, so there are no colloids to settle out if the wine reaches that temperature again.  once you go below that temperature, you will start to see tartrates, and your wine might become hazy, but i&#039;m sure it will still be perfectly drinkable.

thanks for letting me ramble about me recent new knowledge!  hope that was slightly relevant to your blog]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry to be late to the comment thread, but I am taking a class on wine stabilization, and we just covered temperature today.</p>
<p>lower temperature will cause colloids to precipitate from wine, the most common one being tartrates.  As some people have already mentioned, this can cause the wine to change flavor, texture, and pH.  </p>
<p>the temperature for this reaction is dependent on a variety of factors; an average winery will usually cold-stabilize their wines between 5 and -5 celcius &#8211; basically freezing the wine then filtering it, so there are no colloids to settle out if the wine reaches that temperature again.  once you go below that temperature, you will start to see tartrates, and your wine might become hazy, but i&#8217;m sure it will still be perfectly drinkable.</p>
<p>thanks for letting me ramble about me recent new knowledge!  hope that was slightly relevant to your blog</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2013/01/04/freezing-wine/#comment-404658</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 21:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lively thread -- thanks for the contributions! 

Daniel - good to know you don&#039;t have a problem unless it&#039;s really cold. 

Todd - Vermont to the rescue! Thanks for your observations and good luck with your wine. Btw, why do you cold stabilize if it&#039;s not a commercial wine? If you don&#039;t overly chill a bottle of your wine, then you won&#039;t precipitate the crystals, no?

Sally - good trick to know!

Damien - funny you are looking out for the distributors&#039; shock absorbers! 

Thomas - thanks for stopping by and drawing on your Finger Lakes experience. 

R Sonoma - Thanks too. Interesting that you actually did have some corks push via shipping. That must have really been cold. 

Robin C - yes, try it and report back to us...if you are still able!

Mike V - funny! Sounds like that was an instance of a good system blockage. 

Bill - is that a sort of cryogenic wine cellar?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lively thread &#8212; thanks for the contributions! </p>
<p>Daniel &#8211; good to know you don&#8217;t have a problem unless it&#8217;s really cold. </p>
<p>Todd &#8211; Vermont to the rescue! Thanks for your observations and good luck with your wine. Btw, why do you cold stabilize if it&#8217;s not a commercial wine? If you don&#8217;t overly chill a bottle of your wine, then you won&#8217;t precipitate the crystals, no?</p>
<p>Sally &#8211; good trick to know!</p>
<p>Damien &#8211; funny you are looking out for the distributors&#8217; shock absorbers! </p>
<p>Thomas &#8211; thanks for stopping by and drawing on your Finger Lakes experience. </p>
<p>R Sonoma &#8211; Thanks too. Interesting that you actually did have some corks push via shipping. That must have really been cold. </p>
<p>Robin C &#8211; yes, try it and report back to us&#8230;if you are still able!</p>
<p>Mike V &#8211; funny! Sounds like that was an instance of a good system blockage. </p>
<p>Bill &#8211; is that a sort of cryogenic wine cellar?</p>
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		<title>By: R Sonoma</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2013/01/04/freezing-wine/#comment-404656</link>
		<dc:creator>R Sonoma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 20:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our experience after 25+ years of wine via UPS shipping coast to coast is that, yep, wine does freeze below 20 degrees F. As noted above, the cork gets pushed up a bit and when the wine defrosts, some leaks out. This is usually where the conversation with the customer starts: &quot;Your cheapo corks leak!&quot; Well, no. So we hold shipments where the low temps along the route are much below 20. Gets pretty scary in the mid plains (Omaha) in January and February. Try -3 sometimes. Picture your two pack smack up against the outside of the container while the train is parked at a siding for 5 hours or so...By being very firm with our customers we have whittled down our losses to about 1 or none shipments per year now. Then there is the story of the helpful neighbor who took in a lonely wine shipment and left it in their New Hampshire unheated garage over night in late January. Yep Winesicles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our experience after 25+ years of wine via UPS shipping coast to coast is that, yep, wine does freeze below 20 degrees F. As noted above, the cork gets pushed up a bit and when the wine defrosts, some leaks out. This is usually where the conversation with the customer starts: &#8220;Your cheapo corks leak!&#8221; Well, no. So we hold shipments where the low temps along the route are much below 20. Gets pretty scary in the mid plains (Omaha) in January and February. Try -3 sometimes. Picture your two pack smack up against the outside of the container while the train is parked at a siding for 5 hours or so&#8230;By being very firm with our customers we have whittled down our losses to about 1 or none shipments per year now. Then there is the story of the helpful neighbor who took in a lonely wine shipment and left it in their New Hampshire unheated garage over night in late January. Yep Winesicles.</p>
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		<title>By: bill stjohn</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2013/01/04/freezing-wine/#comment-404647</link>
		<dc:creator>bill stjohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;ve often suggested to people who ask how to STORE or SAVE partially filled bottles that freezing staves off oxidation and can adequately keep half-full btls etc; the only issue is one of space, few people having large freezers in which to stash many btls; no matter, it doesn&#039;t harm the wine all that much - have tasted thawed samples afterward - and is preferable to other ways of keeping, for a long-term, partially filled btls]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve often suggested to people who ask how to STORE or SAVE partially filled bottles that freezing staves off oxidation and can adequately keep half-full btls etc; the only issue is one of space, few people having large freezers in which to stash many btls; no matter, it doesn&#8217;t harm the wine all that much &#8211; have tasted thawed samples afterward &#8211; and is preferable to other ways of keeping, for a long-term, partially filled btls</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Veseth</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2013/01/04/freezing-wine/#comment-404645</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Veseth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 15:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Freezing wine can have unexpected benefits. I have a friend who just loves a really awful brand of sweet fizzy wine that rhymes with &quot;nasty.&quot; He likes it freezing cold, which kills the taste a bit I suppose, and puts it in the freezer just before guests arrive. On one instance he let the time get away and when he tried to serve it the ice in the neck stopped any liquid from coming out. Best ever!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freezing wine can have unexpected benefits. I have a friend who just loves a really awful brand of sweet fizzy wine that rhymes with &#8220;nasty.&#8221; He likes it freezing cold, which kills the taste a bit I suppose, and puts it in the freezer just before guests arrive. On one instance he let the time get away and when he tried to serve it the ice in the neck stopped any liquid from coming out. Best ever!</p>
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		<title>By: RobinC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobinC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 00:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to try it with champagne, but I&#039;m afraid I&#039;d end up with a Darwin Award.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to try it with champagne, but I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;d end up with a Darwin Award.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Pellechia</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2013/01/04/freezing-wine/#comment-404522</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Pellechia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 15:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve done a few wine freezing experiments. It doesn&#039;t matter what the temperature outside is--until the temperature of the wine hits below about 20 degrees F. At that point, most wines will start to freeze (it does depend on alcohol content). When a wine reaches its freezing point depends on so many variables that it&#039;s not easy to predict: snow insulates, as would any carpeting or other materials in the trunk of a car, and son. Styro-shippers do insulate wine, but not forever and not under every outside temperature circumstance.

As for quality: generally, the quality of a wine that has frozen and then thawed--once--is minimally, but noticeably affected. Mainly acids drop, but also something happens that I believe is connected with the water content of wine and it strips some of the body-heft from our perception, ever so slightly.

Generally, it&#039;s not so easy for wine to freeze during shipping--but because the stuff is in glass and corked, it&#039;s also not such a great risk to take.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve done a few wine freezing experiments. It doesn&#8217;t matter what the temperature outside is&#8211;until the temperature of the wine hits below about 20 degrees F. At that point, most wines will start to freeze (it does depend on alcohol content). When a wine reaches its freezing point depends on so many variables that it&#8217;s not easy to predict: snow insulates, as would any carpeting or other materials in the trunk of a car, and son. Styro-shippers do insulate wine, but not forever and not under every outside temperature circumstance.</p>
<p>As for quality: generally, the quality of a wine that has frozen and then thawed&#8211;once&#8211;is minimally, but noticeably affected. Mainly acids drop, but also something happens that I believe is connected with the water content of wine and it strips some of the body-heft from our perception, ever so slightly.</p>
<p>Generally, it&#8217;s not so easy for wine to freeze during shipping&#8211;but because the stuff is in glass and corked, it&#8217;s also not such a great risk to take.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 15:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a distributor, I can&#039;t imagine loading trucks the night before delivery, but not for temperature reasons.  The burden on the shocks extended for 8-12 hours longer than otherwise required means that your truck would die an earlier death than it might.  Trucks and vans loaded with hundreds and thousands of pounds of wine each day live short enough lives as is...

The same profit motive that might have someone ship in bad weather without a reefer comes into play here in the consumer&#039;s favor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a distributor, I can&#8217;t imagine loading trucks the night before delivery, but not for temperature reasons.  The burden on the shocks extended for 8-12 hours longer than otherwise required means that your truck would die an earlier death than it might.  Trucks and vans loaded with hundreds and thousands of pounds of wine each day live short enough lives as is&#8230;</p>
<p>The same profit motive that might have someone ship in bad weather without a reefer comes into play here in the consumer&#8217;s favor.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 02:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On ski weekends, the wine ends up in the snow bank to free up refrigerator space.  As has been pointed out, the snow acts as an insulator so even if the temperatures get close to (or even below) zero degrees, the wine doesn&#039;t freeze.  Usually some wine is in the snow from Friday night thru Sunday or Monday but we have found the wayward bottle come spring thaw.  Still good drinking!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On ski weekends, the wine ends up in the snow bank to free up refrigerator space.  As has been pointed out, the snow acts as an insulator so even if the temperatures get close to (or even below) zero degrees, the wine doesn&#8217;t freeze.  Usually some wine is in the snow from Friday night thru Sunday or Monday but we have found the wayward bottle come spring thaw.  Still good drinking!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Coley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Coley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2013 00:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As long as it doesn&#039;t get so cold that the wine actually freezes and pushes the cork, the wine should be fine. That&#039;s my experience. I&#039;ve occasionally been known to stick an open wine in the freezer to keep it for a while. It certainly works for cooking wine, and if it affects the actual taste of the wine, it is slight. You will end up with more crystals, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as it doesn&#8217;t get so cold that the wine actually freezes and pushes the cork, the wine should be fine. That&#8217;s my experience. I&#8217;ve occasionally been known to stick an open wine in the freezer to keep it for a while. It certainly works for cooking wine, and if it affects the actual taste of the wine, it is slight. You will end up with more crystals, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd - VT Wine Media</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd - VT Wine Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 20:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Generally cold stabilization takes place at about 28 F degrees over the course of 14 days, a temperature at which, while below freezing does not risk solidifying the liquid due to the alcohol in solution.  It does however, take some time for the bitartrate crystals to fall unless they have been seeded.

While one might think the bottle in the snowbank would freeze, snow is a pretty good insulator as most Eskimos and winter campers would attest.

That said, yesterday morning I had to do an emergency extraction of wines I&#039;ve have cold stabilizing for less than 48 hours in the mud-room leading into the house.  While the larger demijohns were OK, carboys were showing crystallization of water at the surface, and a small half-gallon jug for topping up turned to an actual slushy...granted it was -17F outside, and maybe 10 degrees higher in the room. Will have to wait until this cold snap moderates before I can put them out there again.

I have also frozen partially consumed wines in the past as a test, then thawed them for sensory analysis, and have determined that while it can strip the nuances from a finer wine, it can also relieve a less well made or balanced wine of hard edges, more so with reds, likely due to the tartaric acid reduction.  A second freezing of the same wine does not have any positive effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally cold stabilization takes place at about 28 F degrees over the course of 14 days, a temperature at which, while below freezing does not risk solidifying the liquid due to the alcohol in solution.  It does however, take some time for the bitartrate crystals to fall unless they have been seeded.</p>
<p>While one might think the bottle in the snowbank would freeze, snow is a pretty good insulator as most Eskimos and winter campers would attest.</p>
<p>That said, yesterday morning I had to do an emergency extraction of wines I&#8217;ve have cold stabilizing for less than 48 hours in the mud-room leading into the house.  While the larger demijohns were OK, carboys were showing crystallization of water at the surface, and a small half-gallon jug for topping up turned to an actual slushy&#8230;granted it was -17F outside, and maybe 10 degrees higher in the room. Will have to wait until this cold snap moderates before I can put them out there again.</p>
<p>I have also frozen partially consumed wines in the past as a test, then thawed them for sensory analysis, and have determined that while it can strip the nuances from a finer wine, it can also relieve a less well made or balanced wine of hard edges, more so with reds, likely due to the tartaric acid reduction.  A second freezing of the same wine does not have any positive effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 20:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For wine to freeze, in a styro shipper, going out Fedex/UPS, it has to be near 0 degrees.

Too many folks are paranoid once temps drop below 30. Heck, 30 is pretty optimum for shipping, as the trucks are probably 45 degrees inside!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For wine to freeze, in a styro shipper, going out Fedex/UPS, it has to be near 0 degrees.</p>
<p>Too many folks are paranoid once temps drop below 30. Heck, 30 is pretty optimum for shipping, as the trucks are probably 45 degrees inside!</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2013 18:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Robin - 

I think it got to 20F overnight. 

Here&#039;s an article suggesting the water portion might freeze before the alcohol: http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1640

Keep us posted on your &quot;research&quot;! ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robin &#8211; </p>
<p>I think it got to 20F overnight. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an article suggesting the water portion might freeze before the alcohol: <a href="http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1640" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/listing.php?id=1640</a></p>
<p>Keep us posted on your &#8220;research&#8221;! <img src='http://www.drvino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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