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	<title>Comments on: A vote against disgorgement dates: Peter Wasserman</title>
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		<title>By: Champagne Jacquesson &#124; Dr Vino&#039;s wine blog</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2012/10/22/disgorgement-dates-champagne-peter-wasserman/#comment-403789</link>
		<dc:creator>Champagne Jacquesson &#124; Dr Vino&#039;s wine blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] back label is possibly the most informative back label out there, with base wine, dosage level, AND disgorgement date, all perfectly understandable in plain English, with no need to go to web sites to look up codes. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] back label is possibly the most informative back label out there, with base wine, dosage level, AND disgorgement date, all perfectly understandable in plain English, with no need to go to web sites to look up codes. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wino</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2012/10/22/disgorgement-dates-champagne-peter-wasserman/#comment-402224</link>
		<dc:creator>Wino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2012 23:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;anti marketing and sales prevention&quot;?  Now there&#039;s a formula for success.  The lucky sperm club must be a fun place to hang out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;anti marketing and sales prevention&#8221;?  Now there&#8217;s a formula for success.  The lucky sperm club must be a fun place to hang out.</p>
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		<title>By: Terroirist: A Daily Wine Blog &#187; Daily Wine News: Living Wine</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2012/10/22/disgorgement-dates-champagne-peter-wasserman/#comment-398689</link>
		<dc:creator>Terroirist: A Daily Wine Blog &#187; Daily Wine News: Living Wine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] York, Peter Wasserman of Le Serbet expressed hesitations about the focus on disgorgement dates. Tyler Colman has the scoop. Some great [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] York, Peter Wasserman of Le Serbet expressed hesitations about the focus on disgorgement dates. Tyler Colman has the scoop. Some great [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Meeker</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2012/10/22/disgorgement-dates-champagne-peter-wasserman/#comment-398590</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Meeker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peter...bravo! Look, &#039;truth in labeling&#039; is great and ideal. I think that having the base wine dates is certainly MORE important than listing disgorgement dates. That said, disgorgement dates are unquestionably better than nothing at all.

Often times the traditional reviewer (Galloni &amp; Raynolds do a great job) will list the base wine vintage in the review. That said, I would certainly appreciate it as a consumer to have it on the bottle as well. 

That being said, what keeps a producer from not accurately keeping this?

Jose Dhondt for me please! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter&#8230;bravo! Look, &#8216;truth in labeling&#8217; is great and ideal. I think that having the base wine dates is certainly MORE important than listing disgorgement dates. That said, disgorgement dates are unquestionably better than nothing at all.</p>
<p>Often times the traditional reviewer (Galloni &amp; Raynolds do a great job) will list the base wine vintage in the review. That said, I would certainly appreciate it as a consumer to have it on the bottle as well. </p>
<p>That being said, what keeps a producer from not accurately keeping this?</p>
<p>Jose Dhondt for me please! <img src='http://www.drvino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alex Bernardo @VineyardGate</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2012/10/22/disgorgement-dates-champagne-peter-wasserman/#comment-398451</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Bernardo @VineyardGate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post! So far we&#039;ve overwhelmingly heard only from those favoring disgorgement date on labels, Peter&#039;s credible comments show there are always many sides to an issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! So far we&#8217;ve overwhelmingly heard only from those favoring disgorgement date on labels, Peter&#8217;s credible comments show there are always many sides to an issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter waserman</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2012/10/22/disgorgement-dates-champagne-peter-wasserman/#comment-398449</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter waserman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry you feel that way, maybe we should require a retailer and restaurant stock reception date to be stamped on the bottle that would address your concern much more accurately. All the points I made are the reality and champagne is perhaps the most complex wine we deal with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry you feel that way, maybe we should require a retailer and restaurant stock reception date to be stamped on the bottle that would address your concern much more accurately. All the points I made are the reality and champagne is perhaps the most complex wine we deal with.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2012/10/22/disgorgement-dates-champagne-peter-wasserman/#comment-398448</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I applaud you for adding disgorgement dates to the bottle, however I feel that the entire industry is complicating the issue.

The facts are that wine shops are no place to age wine. The consumer needs to know how long it&#039;s been on that shelf. Period.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I applaud you for adding disgorgement dates to the bottle, however I feel that the entire industry is complicating the issue.</p>
<p>The facts are that wine shops are no place to age wine. The consumer needs to know how long it&#8217;s been on that shelf. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter waserman</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2012/10/22/disgorgement-dates-champagne-peter-wasserman/#comment-398447</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter waserman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is more the article though accurately reflecting my position did not state that i am for disgorgement dates on vintage champagnes and as you have read at the bottom of same article we will be putting disgorgement dates + years on the lees which in my opinion is a statement that reflect quality rather than the fact that a bottle was disgorged on monday or wednesday of january 2012.  Further we release cuvees that are disgorged a year or so prior simply because they taste better. (This i dare say you will only be able to find out about by contacting us, i doubt they will be reviewed except by View From the Cellar). Last but not least a Champagne disgorged in January versus one disgorged later that year say september for the sake of the argument will have up to 1 gram less dosage.) personally i feel that front of the year disgorgements need an additional few months to balance out than later disgorgements. In my opinion tge disgorgement issue is not as simple as printing a date.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is more the article though accurately reflecting my position did not state that i am for disgorgement dates on vintage champagnes and as you have read at the bottom of same article we will be putting disgorgement dates + years on the lees which in my opinion is a statement that reflect quality rather than the fact that a bottle was disgorged on monday or wednesday of january 2012.  Further we release cuvees that are disgorged a year or so prior simply because they taste better. (This i dare say you will only be able to find out about by contacting us, i doubt they will be reviewed except by View From the Cellar). Last but not least a Champagne disgorged in January versus one disgorged later that year say september for the sake of the argument will have up to 1 gram less dosage.) personally i feel that front of the year disgorgements need an additional few months to balance out than later disgorgements. In my opinion tge disgorgement issue is not as simple as printing a date.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2012/10/22/disgorgement-dates-champagne-peter-wasserman/#comment-398446</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Mr. Wasserman,

The consumer demands truth in labeling (i.e. when was this product made/disgorged/ingredient list/etc.). Most consumers could care less about wine journalists and their points. 

Why is alcohol somehow different than any other beverage?

Mark]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Wasserman,</p>
<p>The consumer demands truth in labeling (i.e. when was this product made/disgorged/ingredient list/etc.). Most consumers could care less about wine journalists and their points. </p>
<p>Why is alcohol somehow different than any other beverage?</p>
<p>Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Peter waserman</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2012/10/22/disgorgement-dates-champagne-peter-wasserman/#comment-398445</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter waserman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Sir,

I would respectfully suggest you chose your retailer before choosing any wine let alone a champagne. And if we put accurate disgorgement dates as is demanded by many journalists why am I getting so much reticence reviewing each disgorgement? The answer is that it does not fit neatly in to publishing imperatives making part of the debate a publishing one.  In other words we are required to do our job whilst large portions of the industry just gets a pass because that is the way it is and there is nothing to do about it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Sir,</p>
<p>I would respectfully suggest you chose your retailer before choosing any wine let alone a champagne. And if we put accurate disgorgement dates as is demanded by many journalists why am I getting so much reticence reviewing each disgorgement? The answer is that it does not fit neatly in to publishing imperatives making part of the debate a publishing one.  In other words we are required to do our job whilst large portions of the industry just gets a pass because that is the way it is and there is nothing to do about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2012/10/22/disgorgement-dates-champagne-peter-wasserman/#comment-398442</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 14:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, there are just too many holes in Mr. Wasserman&#039;s argument.

Let me just address an obvious one: besides retailers who pull bottles of wine direct from the cellar for the customer at the time of purchase, I have yet to see ANY wine retailer with acceptable display conditions to allow a wine to sit on the shelf for more than 6 months-1 year.

A wine that has been &quot;bottle-aged&quot; on the retail shelf is sitting upright, blasted with fluorescent light for most of the day, and is exposed to temps generally 15-20 degrees+ above cellar temp. BTW, how many retailers run their heat/AC when the store is closed? How is this a a good thing? A new form of rapid-aging?

It&#039;s very convenient NOT to list a date on the bottle - imagine how much more milk could be sold if they didn&#039;t list Sell By dates?

@flowfilms]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, there are just too many holes in Mr. Wasserman&#8217;s argument.</p>
<p>Let me just address an obvious one: besides retailers who pull bottles of wine direct from the cellar for the customer at the time of purchase, I have yet to see ANY wine retailer with acceptable display conditions to allow a wine to sit on the shelf for more than 6 months-1 year.</p>
<p>A wine that has been &#8220;bottle-aged&#8221; on the retail shelf is sitting upright, blasted with fluorescent light for most of the day, and is exposed to temps generally 15-20 degrees+ above cellar temp. BTW, how many retailers run their heat/AC when the store is closed? How is this a a good thing? A new form of rapid-aging?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very convenient NOT to list a date on the bottle &#8211; imagine how much more milk could be sold if they didn&#8217;t list Sell By dates?</p>
<p>@flowfilms</p>
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