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		<title>By: Wine Cellar Roundup – Episode #74</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wine Cellar Roundup – Episode #74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 20:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of talk this week about a change in reviewers at the Wine Advocate. Do you read wine [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Worth Reading This Week: Wooooooo Boy! Expensive wine critics, cheap wine, and tons and tons of methane &#8230; &#124; Dave McIntyre&#039;s WineLine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worth Reading This Week: Wooooooo Boy! Expensive wine critics, cheap wine, and tons and tons of methane &#8230; &#124; Dave McIntyre&#039;s WineLine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 05:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and denouements. There is also some interesting commentary by Blake Gray, Alder Yarrow, and Dr. Vino, including thoughts on what the change of critics will mean for various wine regions. As the Wine [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and denouements. There is also some interesting commentary by Blake Gray, Alder Yarrow, and Dr. Vino, including thoughts on what the change of critics will mean for various wine regions. As the Wine [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 04:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could you imagine having Mark Squires as an ambassador for your company?  Parker knows what he&#039;s doing by keeping the guy under wraps as much as possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you imagine having Mark Squires as an ambassador for your company?  Parker knows what he&#8217;s doing by keeping the guy under wraps as much as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Golodetz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Golodetz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 04:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any idea as to why Squires isn&#039;t covering Spain. I would have thought he was a much more obvious choice than Neal Martin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any idea as to why Squires isn&#8217;t covering Spain. I would have thought he was a much more obvious choice than Neal Martin.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/12/05/changing-critic-changing-wine-styles/#comment-364655</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 23:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting picks for new reviews. I for one am looking forward to hearing about Martin&#039;s thoughts about Spanish wines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting picks for new reviews. I for one am looking forward to hearing about Martin&#8217;s thoughts about Spanish wines.</p>
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		<title>By: gab</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/12/05/changing-critic-changing-wine-styles/#comment-364406</link>
		<dc:creator>gab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 03:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain...and most fools do  - mark twain]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain&#8230;and most fools do  &#8211; mark twain</p>
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		<title>By: Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 23:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If this blog is not the &quot;three heads, celebrity affairs and plastic surgery&quot; one of the wine world then what is?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this blog is not the &#8220;three heads, celebrity affairs and plastic surgery&#8221; one of the wine world then what is?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hill - Here&#039;s the tabloid treatment you were looking for: 

&quot;Professional Wine Snob in Booze Junket Payola Scandal&quot;

http://gawker.com/5865476/professional-wine-snob-in-booze-junket-payola-scandal]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hill &#8211; Here&#8217;s the tabloid treatment you were looking for: </p>
<p>&#8220;Professional Wine Snob in Booze Junket Payola Scandal&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://gawker.com/5865476/professional-wine-snob-in-booze-junket-payola-scandal" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://gawker.com/5865476/professional-wine-snob-in-booze-junket-payola-scandal</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 15:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi &quot;Hill,&quot; 

I&#039;m asking the question if a change in critics at Robert Parker&#039;s The Wine Advocate could lead to wine producers changing their winemaking to suit different palates. 

Is that the fodder for British tabloids (since your IP address shows you&#039;re in Britain)? Over here, tabloids focus on babies with three heads, celebrity affairs and plastic surgery gone awry. If British tabloids focus on wine and wine making, then I guess I should check them out!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8220;Hill,&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m asking the question if a change in critics at Robert Parker&#8217;s The Wine Advocate could lead to wine producers changing their winemaking to suit different palates. </p>
<p>Is that the fodder for British tabloids (since your IP address shows you&#8217;re in Britain)? Over here, tabloids focus on babies with three heads, celebrity affairs and plastic surgery gone awry. If British tabloids focus on wine and wine making, then I guess I should check them out!</p>
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		<title>By: Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 13:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tabloid stuff Tyler. As usual.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tabloid stuff Tyler. As usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 03:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David, 

Thanks for stopping by and filling out your resume more completely--I didn&#039;t mean to shortchange you! 

Good luck to you adding to an already full workload! I, for one, look forward to your reviews from the Pacific Northwest.

Tyler]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, </p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by and filling out your resume more completely&#8211;I didn&#8217;t mean to shortchange you! </p>
<p>Good luck to you adding to an already full workload! I, for one, look forward to your reviews from the Pacific Northwest.</p>
<p>Tyler</p>
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		<title>By: David Schildknecht</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Schildknecht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On a very busy day (and night) of editorial deadlines on top of lots of correspondence (no kidding ;-), please permit me to add just a few comments to your post, Tyler. 

First, you&#039;re too kind in your praise of my erudition - but I&#039;ll take praise where I find it, thanks! You mentioned my having once been an importer of German wine. Just for a fuller record, any interested readers can read the next paragraph.

I was a restaurateur 1977-1980 (when close acquaintance with California wines sparked by livelong love affair with wine in general); a retailer from 1981-1997 (during which time, besides writing on the side inter alia for Steve Tanzer, I imported wines from Germany and France that weren&#039;t otherwise available stateside, the jurisdictions in which I worked - DC and KY - having made that legally possible). During my early years in DC, I was surely among the first outside the Pacific Northwest to become actively involved in selling wines of the then-emerging Willamette Valley. From 1997-2006 I worked as an importer-distributor, in which capacity I did not however import wines of Austria or Germany, since I wanted to be able to keep writing about them without conflict of interest (which when I was importing solely for retail customers and without regard to importer affiliation was not a serious concern).

Secondly, I am humbly aware of my lack of recent experience in Oregon and (especially) Washington and I&#039;m just as humbly aware I&#039;m merely the guy with the good fortune to have been offered this opportunity. My background - involving as it does a lot of experience with places where Pinot Noir, Riesling, and Cabernet &amp; Co. grow - when combined with the fact that I am a quick study in matters of history, terroir, and viticulture could, and I believe will, create conditions for useful perspective on the wines of Oregon and Washington. Readers of my reports - or of my (some will say incessant, ponderous, and interminable) postings over the years at eRobertParker.com or JancisRobinson.com - will already know how I rate wines and perhaps more about how I view wine ratings and the role of the wine critic than they ever wanted to know, so I shall refer anyone with interest in the allegedly fine points of methodology or epistemology (and occasionally ethics!)to those reports and web site bulletin boards.(I am also a long-standing columnist for The World of Fine Wine and Vinaria ... ok, I know, the first is frightfully expensive to subscribe to and the second in German, but that&#039;s just in case anybody is really, really interested, which I am not so arrogant as to presume.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a very busy day (and night) of editorial deadlines on top of lots of correspondence (no kidding <img src='http://www.drvino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> , please permit me to add just a few comments to your post, Tyler. </p>
<p>First, you&#8217;re too kind in your praise of my erudition &#8211; but I&#8217;ll take praise where I find it, thanks! You mentioned my having once been an importer of German wine. Just for a fuller record, any interested readers can read the next paragraph.</p>
<p>I was a restaurateur 1977-1980 (when close acquaintance with California wines sparked by livelong love affair with wine in general); a retailer from 1981-1997 (during which time, besides writing on the side inter alia for Steve Tanzer, I imported wines from Germany and France that weren&#8217;t otherwise available stateside, the jurisdictions in which I worked &#8211; DC and KY &#8211; having made that legally possible). During my early years in DC, I was surely among the first outside the Pacific Northwest to become actively involved in selling wines of the then-emerging Willamette Valley. From 1997-2006 I worked as an importer-distributor, in which capacity I did not however import wines of Austria or Germany, since I wanted to be able to keep writing about them without conflict of interest (which when I was importing solely for retail customers and without regard to importer affiliation was not a serious concern).</p>
<p>Secondly, I am humbly aware of my lack of recent experience in Oregon and (especially) Washington and I&#8217;m just as humbly aware I&#8217;m merely the guy with the good fortune to have been offered this opportunity. My background &#8211; involving as it does a lot of experience with places where Pinot Noir, Riesling, and Cabernet &amp; Co. grow &#8211; when combined with the fact that I am a quick study in matters of history, terroir, and viticulture could, and I believe will, create conditions for useful perspective on the wines of Oregon and Washington. Readers of my reports &#8211; or of my (some will say incessant, ponderous, and interminable) postings over the years at eRobertParker.com or JancisRobinson.com &#8211; will already know how I rate wines and perhaps more about how I view wine ratings and the role of the wine critic than they ever wanted to know, so I shall refer anyone with interest in the allegedly fine points of methodology or epistemology (and occasionally ethics!)to those reports and web site bulletin boards.(I am also a long-standing columnist for The World of Fine Wine and Vinaria &#8230; ok, I know, the first is frightfully expensive to subscribe to and the second in German, but that&#8217;s just in case anybody is really, really interested, which I am not so arrogant as to presume.)</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrea - Thanks for stopping by. In my experience, I&#039;ve noticed similar influences on purchasing decisions. There are just so many shelf-talkers and each one is 90+!

Miguel and Per - Yes, I do think it is possible to be a good taster and offer useful advice about the wines without ever venturing to the region. For example, if you don&#039;t like a lot of oak in Chilean red wines over $20, venturing to the country will likely not turn up anything more than you could find in stores in the US. But in Spain--the diversity is astonishing and much of it has reached our shores relatively recently. Going there would have meant that a critic would have had his finger a bit nearer to the pulse of this emerging trend. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://t.co/XmU6udFB&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Evan Dawson&lt;/a&gt; had a good post about whether critics should speed through winery visits or marinate themselves more in the region. I like a blended approach, writing from a physical remove yet visiting frequently enough to get a feel for what&#039;s happening on the ground. 

Miguel- I also wonder if Neal will come to the US to taste through the portfolios of US importers as Jay had done?

Paul - Thanks for the comment. And good to know about Ken Wright&#039;s dramatic change!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrea &#8211; Thanks for stopping by. In my experience, I&#8217;ve noticed similar influences on purchasing decisions. There are just so many shelf-talkers and each one is 90+!</p>
<p>Miguel and Per &#8211; Yes, I do think it is possible to be a good taster and offer useful advice about the wines without ever venturing to the region. For example, if you don&#8217;t like a lot of oak in Chilean red wines over $20, venturing to the country will likely not turn up anything more than you could find in stores in the US. But in Spain&#8211;the diversity is astonishing and much of it has reached our shores relatively recently. Going there would have meant that a critic would have had his finger a bit nearer to the pulse of this emerging trend. </p>
<p><a href="http://t.co/XmU6udFB" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">Evan Dawson</a> had a good post about whether critics should speed through winery visits or marinate themselves more in the region. I like a blended approach, writing from a physical remove yet visiting frequently enough to get a feel for what&#8217;s happening on the ground. </p>
<p>Miguel- I also wonder if Neal will come to the US to taste through the portfolios of US importers as Jay had done?</p>
<p>Paul &#8211; Thanks for the comment. And good to know about Ken Wright&#8217;s dramatic change!</p>
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		<title>By: Per-BKWine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Per-BKWine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 21:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the things that come to mind from reading this is that there are perhaps two schools of thought:

1 - what&#039;s-in-the-bottle-focus

You can make a strong argument that what matters most, or even what is the ONLY thing that matters, is what is in the bottle. The wine. If that is your belief then it really does not matter if you have &quot;only been to Burgundy twice&quot; since what is most important is what is in the bottle, and that you can equally well taste at home, e.g. in Chicago.


2 - what&#039;s-the-wine-and-what-does-it-represent-focus

Another line of thought is that wine is more than just a beverage. When you drink wine you also drink an origin. there is a provenance, there is a person that has made the wine, there is climate, terroir (if you believe in terroir), there&#039;s a history and culture etc etc. If you think that is important, then going to &quot;the source&quot; is important. Meeting the people is important. When you drink wine it is more than just sipping water, alcohol and flavours.

Can you claim that one view is better than the other? Don&#039;t know. 

But it certainly makes a big difference for how you look at wine critics, wine reviews, wine writing and wine appreciation.

I think I&#039;ll have to write something on this on BKWine Magazine one day. Interesting debate. But I&#039;ll have to think a bit more about the headings...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that come to mind from reading this is that there are perhaps two schools of thought:</p>
<p>1 &#8211; what&#8217;s-in-the-bottle-focus</p>
<p>You can make a strong argument that what matters most, or even what is the ONLY thing that matters, is what is in the bottle. The wine. If that is your belief then it really does not matter if you have &#8220;only been to Burgundy twice&#8221; since what is most important is what is in the bottle, and that you can equally well taste at home, e.g. in Chicago.</p>
<p>2 &#8211; what&#8217;s-the-wine-and-what-does-it-represent-focus</p>
<p>Another line of thought is that wine is more than just a beverage. When you drink wine you also drink an origin. there is a provenance, there is a person that has made the wine, there is climate, terroir (if you believe in terroir), there&#8217;s a history and culture etc etc. If you think that is important, then going to &#8220;the source&#8221; is important. Meeting the people is important. When you drink wine it is more than just sipping water, alcohol and flavours.</p>
<p>Can you claim that one view is better than the other? Don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>But it certainly makes a big difference for how you look at wine critics, wine reviews, wine writing and wine appreciation.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;ll have to write something on this on BKWine Magazine one day. Interesting debate. But I&#8217;ll have to think a bit more about the headings&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Gregutt</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 21:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Though I too admire David Schildknecht&#039;s writing and methodical (albeit geeky) approach to reviewing, I fear that his overwhelming workload and complete lack of knowledge about the Pacific NW does not inspire a lot of hope for better coverage of the region. It&#039;s clear that RP does not feel it is especially important. On the plus side, the 2010 and 2011 vintage in both Oregon and Washington were so cool and the harvest this year so late that in fact Euro-style wines – both whites and reds – will be much in evidence. A recent tasting of the 2010 Ken Wright Pinots proved the point. Here&#039;s a highly-regarded winemaker who has cut about 2+ degrees of alcohol off the current releases, and delivered what seemed to me to be the best wines of his career.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I too admire David Schildknecht&#8217;s writing and methodical (albeit geeky) approach to reviewing, I fear that his overwhelming workload and complete lack of knowledge about the Pacific NW does not inspire a lot of hope for better coverage of the region. It&#8217;s clear that RP does not feel it is especially important. On the plus side, the 2010 and 2011 vintage in both Oregon and Washington were so cool and the harvest this year so late that in fact Euro-style wines – both whites and reds – will be much in evidence. A recent tasting of the 2010 Ken Wright Pinots proved the point. Here&#8217;s a highly-regarded winemaker who has cut about 2+ degrees of alcohol off the current releases, and delivered what seemed to me to be the best wines of his career.</p>
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