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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s greater: &#8220;cooked,&#8221; &#8220;corked&#8221; or counterfeit wines? Some evidence</title>
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		<title>By: Terroirist: A Daily Wine Blog &#187; Daily Wine News: Das Kapital</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/07/25/heat-damaged-wine-eprovenance/#comment-390092</link>
		<dc:creator>Terroirist: A Daily Wine Blog &#187; Daily Wine News: Das Kapital</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2012 12:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Colman suggests that &#8220;heat damage might be the biggest silent killer in the wine industry &#8212; more even [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Colman suggests that &#8220;heat damage might be the biggest silent killer in the wine industry &#8212; more even [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Donn Rutkoff</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/07/25/heat-damaged-wine-eprovenance/#comment-350466</link>
		<dc:creator>Donn Rutkoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I might take the other side on how long it takes at 90 degrees.  Two years ago, we had a heat wave in S Diego, and I had most, but not all, of my wine, under temp. control.  I opened a few of the botles that were in 90+ heat for 4-5 days, and found no damage.  But, don&#039;t know what about 2 or 3 yrs later what might happen.  Of course, not to recommend baking.  But, for just a short while, wine might be sturdier than we think.  Any input welcome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might take the other side on how long it takes at 90 degrees.  Two years ago, we had a heat wave in S Diego, and I had most, but not all, of my wine, under temp. control.  I opened a few of the botles that were in 90+ heat for 4-5 days, and found no damage.  But, don&#8217;t know what about 2 or 3 yrs later what might happen.  Of course, not to recommend baking.  But, for just a short while, wine might be sturdier than we think.  Any input welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Goode</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Goode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 17:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most wine isn&#039;t shipped in reefers. It&#039;s worse than the picture you have outlined.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most wine isn&#8217;t shipped in reefers. It&#8217;s worse than the picture you have outlined.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Bulkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack Bulkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I opened a 96 Dalla Valle Cabernet last night that I purchased twelve years ago.  It has been lovingly stored at 55 degrees in my cellar despite 100 degree temperatures where I live for five months every year.
  The bottle was cooked.  It is very disappointing and really is a distraction to fine wine collecting.
I don&#039;t buy wines that would likely be counterfeited, but sadly we all buy wines that could be corked or heat damaged.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I opened a 96 Dalla Valle Cabernet last night that I purchased twelve years ago.  It has been lovingly stored at 55 degrees in my cellar despite 100 degree temperatures where I live for five months every year.<br />
  The bottle was cooked.  It is very disappointing and really is a distraction to fine wine collecting.<br />
I don&#8217;t buy wines that would likely be counterfeited, but sadly we all buy wines that could be corked or heat damaged.</p>
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		<title>By: David Boyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Boyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 01:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cooked is certainly going to affect more consumers than corked or counterfeit wine from a numbers standpoint. Over 300 million cases of wine were sold in the US last year, and of that, over 90% was sold at retail for under $25 per bottle. Who gets the brunt of cooked wine ?Consumers buying lower end wine.

Any collector worth her/his salt will insist on shipping in appropriate weather conditions or have it held until they can ship safely so this segment is probably least affected because they also pay attention to provenance, plus serious collectors buy from reputable merchants. But this segment is affected more by corked wines because many of us open mature wines that used corks that came from an era of more TCA problems.

If you&#039;re buying Château Pétrus in Las Vegas, you&#039;re just asking for counterfeit wine but again, by the numbers, few will be affected by this accept for a handful of high-rollers. A few years ago I bought another case of older Château Cos d&#039;Estournel from a source online, which to me was a great value, and a great wine. The bottles arrived with their familiar brick-colored labels but the vintage (1988) looked as though it was printed on the labels, in black ink no less, with a laser printer. I immediately called the retailer to inquire about this anomaly and the retailer seemed genuinely alarmed. All the while I&#039;m thinking who in the world would counterfeit Cos at a $100 or so per bottle? Stranger things have happened in counterfeiting I suppose.

The retailer (who readily agreed to return my money and have me send the wine back, no questions) called the château and they verified that they would sometimes ship from their cellar, and they didn&#039;t have labels for all vintages, so they printed them with the correct label and shipped them out. Up to the point that I actually put the wine in my mouth it was all intrigue, but when I actually tasted it, I knew it was exactly Cos because I had had a case before this one. Counterfeiting happens and I think those at the greatest risk are those buying trophy wines that are &#039;too good of a deal&#039;. As many have said before me: caveat emptor!

So in my experience: cooked, corked, counterfeit in that order.

David Boyer
classof1855.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cooked is certainly going to affect more consumers than corked or counterfeit wine from a numbers standpoint. Over 300 million cases of wine were sold in the US last year, and of that, over 90% was sold at retail for under $25 per bottle. Who gets the brunt of cooked wine ?Consumers buying lower end wine.</p>
<p>Any collector worth her/his salt will insist on shipping in appropriate weather conditions or have it held until they can ship safely so this segment is probably least affected because they also pay attention to provenance, plus serious collectors buy from reputable merchants. But this segment is affected more by corked wines because many of us open mature wines that used corks that came from an era of more TCA problems.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re buying Château Pétrus in Las Vegas, you&#8217;re just asking for counterfeit wine but again, by the numbers, few will be affected by this accept for a handful of high-rollers. A few years ago I bought another case of older Château Cos d&#8217;Estournel from a source online, which to me was a great value, and a great wine. The bottles arrived with their familiar brick-colored labels but the vintage (1988) looked as though it was printed on the labels, in black ink no less, with a laser printer. I immediately called the retailer to inquire about this anomaly and the retailer seemed genuinely alarmed. All the while I&#8217;m thinking who in the world would counterfeit Cos at a $100 or so per bottle? Stranger things have happened in counterfeiting I suppose.</p>
<p>The retailer (who readily agreed to return my money and have me send the wine back, no questions) called the château and they verified that they would sometimes ship from their cellar, and they didn&#8217;t have labels for all vintages, so they printed them with the correct label and shipped them out. Up to the point that I actually put the wine in my mouth it was all intrigue, but when I actually tasted it, I knew it was exactly Cos because I had had a case before this one. Counterfeiting happens and I think those at the greatest risk are those buying trophy wines that are &#8216;too good of a deal&#8217;. As many have said before me: caveat emptor!</p>
<p>So in my experience: cooked, corked, counterfeit in that order.</p>
<p>David Boyer<br />
classof1855.com</p>
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		<title>By: Terrence Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrence Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Living in Malaysia for four years taught me very quickly what cooked wine tastes like.  

The importers there know very well how the last mile can kill wine as it sits on the dock waiting to be warehoused.  Furthermore, retail conditions often further exacerbated the issue with the air conditioners being turned off at night.

It&#039;s often said that wine is more &quot;hearty&quot; than most people think - I&#039;m glad to see some research being done into this real issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in Malaysia for four years taught me very quickly what cooked wine tastes like.  </p>
<p>The importers there know very well how the last mile can kill wine as it sits on the dock waiting to be warehoused.  Furthermore, retail conditions often further exacerbated the issue with the air conditioners being turned off at night.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s often said that wine is more &#8220;hearty&#8221; than most people think &#8211; I&#8217;m glad to see some research being done into this real issue.</p>
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		<title>By: ted judd</title>
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		<dc:creator>ted judd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you could also add &quot;bottle shock&quot; to the maladies of transportation. i cannot imagine the stress to which the wine is subjected in a container on-board a cargo ship during a summer squall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you could also add &#8220;bottle shock&#8221; to the maladies of transportation. i cannot imagine the stress to which the wine is subjected in a container on-board a cargo ship during a summer squall.</p>
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		<title>By: ted judd</title>
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		<dc:creator>ted judd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i have no expectation of receiving a palatable wine after it sat overnight on the loading dock and was then transported during the heat of the day in brown, open sided, trucks with no air conditioning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have no expectation of receiving a palatable wine after it sat overnight on the loading dock and was then transported during the heat of the day in brown, open sided, trucks with no air conditioning.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know our Fed-Ex person has our few bottles that we order from out of state riding around in the truck for quite a while, and if we&#039;re not there to receive the bottles they go to the warehouse for 24 hours or so.  We don&#039;t order in the summer; it would be hard not to buy wine from the wine stores in the summer - one more problem to mull over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know our Fed-Ex person has our few bottles that we order from out of state riding around in the truck for quite a while, and if we&#8217;re not there to receive the bottles they go to the warehouse for 24 hours or so.  We don&#8217;t order in the summer; it would be hard not to buy wine from the wine stores in the summer &#8211; one more problem to mull over.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 03:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just posted a link to this with the comment below on my Facebook page!
Love to hear some others thought here!
Joe Jensen Jr on Facebook!

&quot;As someone who is about to start importing wines, I am amazed when I hear from other established distributors and importers that they will compromise their wines to save a few dollars a case in shipping costs. The more I read on the problem the more I confirm my choice to pay the extra cost to ensure that my wines make it to Chicago in as close to the condition that they left the winery in!&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just posted a link to this with the comment below on my Facebook page!<br />
Love to hear some others thought here!<br />
Joe Jensen Jr on Facebook!</p>
<p>&#8220;As someone who is about to start importing wines, I am amazed when I hear from other established distributors and importers that they will compromise their wines to save a few dollars a case in shipping costs. The more I read on the problem the more I confirm my choice to pay the extra cost to ensure that my wines make it to Chicago in as close to the condition that they left the winery in!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 02:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am never disappointed when a winery is reluctant to ship during hot seasons... in fact I tend to consider it a sign of love and respect for their wines and the decision gives them an edge,(in my estimation), over the wineries that don&#039;t appear to worry about heat exposure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am never disappointed when a winery is reluctant to ship during hot seasons&#8230; in fact I tend to consider it a sign of love and respect for their wines and the decision gives them an edge,(in my estimation), over the wineries that don&#8217;t appear to worry about heat exposure.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I always wondered if this is the case with South African wines, some seem inconsistent even within vintages. Maybe the problem is in the handling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always wondered if this is the case with South African wines, some seem inconsistent even within vintages. Maybe the problem is in the handling.</p>
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