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		<title>By: How and why did light beer come to be the choice of NFL viewers? &#124; Dr Vino&#039;s wine blog</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/05/26/wine-labels-understate-alcohol/#comment-371655</link>
		<dc:creator>How and why did light beer come to be the choice of NFL viewers? &#124; Dr Vino&#039;s wine blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 15:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Hmm, not a tough decision for me. Coming from the world of wine, where labeling is mandatory if not always accurate, I&#8217;m surprised that not all beers have the abv on the label but that would go a long way in [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hmm, not a tough decision for me. Coming from the world of wine, where labeling is mandatory if not always accurate, I&#8217;m surprised that not all beers have the abv on the label but that would go a long way in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff and Jeremy &#187; Does that Pinot actually have more alcohol than it says it does?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff and Jeremy &#187; Does that Pinot actually have more alcohol than it says it does?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 19:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Julian&#8217;s findings are not all that shocking. It turns out that none of the winemakers are breaking the law. They are just fudging the numbers a bit. Check out Dr. Vino&#8217;s explanation of the study. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Julian&#8217;s findings are not all that shocking. It turns out that none of the winemakers are breaking the law. They are just fudging the numbers a bit. Check out Dr. Vino&#8217;s explanation of the study. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Gillespie</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/05/26/wine-labels-understate-alcohol/#comment-344772</link>
		<dc:creator>John Gillespie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 04:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think some people are missing the point on this.  I agree that the little bit more or less alcohol that you consume depending on the alcohol content of the wine does not make much difference, but it has everything to do with the way the wine yields its flavor and is (or it not) balanced, and is (or is not) elegant, open, and true to its varietal type and origins.  That&#039;s the real issue, not how you feel the next day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some people are missing the point on this.  I agree that the little bit more or less alcohol that you consume depending on the alcohol content of the wine does not make much difference, but it has everything to do with the way the wine yields its flavor and is (or it not) balanced, and is (or is not) elegant, open, and true to its varietal type and origins.  That&#8217;s the real issue, not how you feel the next day.</p>
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		<title>By: AdamMY</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/05/26/wine-labels-understate-alcohol/#comment-344769</link>
		<dc:creator>AdamMY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2011 04:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am with Zeke on this, I mean if you aren&#039;t drinking an entire bottle it works out to one of your glasses was just a touch more generously poured.  For those of us drinking at home, I doubt we have masted the perfect &quot;measured pours.&quot;

For those who drink an entire bottle and wonder why they are hung-over in the morning, I just roll my eyes.  Do not get me wrong, I have consumed entire bottles in a night before, sometimes a bit more, but if I feel it the next morning I do not act surprised.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am with Zeke on this, I mean if you aren&#8217;t drinking an entire bottle it works out to one of your glasses was just a touch more generously poured.  For those of us drinking at home, I doubt we have masted the perfect &#8220;measured pours.&#8221;</p>
<p>For those who drink an entire bottle and wonder why they are hung-over in the morning, I just roll my eyes.  Do not get me wrong, I have consumed entire bottles in a night before, sometimes a bit more, but if I feel it the next morning I do not act surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: herbette</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/05/26/wine-labels-understate-alcohol/#comment-343825</link>
		<dc:creator>herbette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 04:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right now TTB is claiming 90 days out for label approval.  I can vary 1percent either way without having to get new approval for each and every bottling of each label.  My current appointment with a mobile bottling company has been rescheduled 3 times waitng on approval. You bet that evey label gets submitted at 15 percent, giving us the leeway of 14 to 16 percent.  Given the penalties for mis-stating alcohol we print almost everything at just below 15 percent to get the widest possible legal alcohol (you can&#039;t cross the 14 percent threshold by even less thn .05 percent). The actual amount of alcohol variance in a 750ml bottle is negligble-- but you can bet the customer preaidisposition is not... Ask any tasting room employee!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now TTB is claiming 90 days out for label approval.  I can vary 1percent either way without having to get new approval for each and every bottling of each label.  My current appointment with a mobile bottling company has been rescheduled 3 times waitng on approval. You bet that evey label gets submitted at 15 percent, giving us the leeway of 14 to 16 percent.  Given the penalties for mis-stating alcohol we print almost everything at just below 15 percent to get the widest possible legal alcohol (you can&#8217;t cross the 14 percent threshold by even less thn .05 percent). The actual amount of alcohol variance in a 750ml bottle is negligble&#8211; but you can bet the customer preaidisposition is not&#8230; Ask any tasting room employee!</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Virginia Wine News Roundup: 5-28-11 &#124; Virginia Wine Trips</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/05/26/wine-labels-understate-alcohol/#comment-343527</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Virginia Wine News Roundup: 5-28-11 &#124; Virginia Wine Trips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2011 14:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Wine labels misstate alcohol levels   The Weekly Virginia Wine News Roundup: 5-28-11 by Virginia Wine Trips, unless otherwise expressly stated, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported License.     Posted under VA wine news roundup,Virginia Wine and tagged with virginia wine, virginia wine blog  Comments (0) [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: John Gillespie</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/05/26/wine-labels-understate-alcohol/#comment-343482</link>
		<dc:creator>John Gillespie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 21:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It should be noted that the tax issue applies to both imported and domestic wines - tax rate is higher at and above 14%.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be noted that the tax issue applies to both imported and domestic wines &#8211; tax rate is higher at and above 14%.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 20:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That last one should have been a redo to 13.5%, sorry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last one should have been a redo to 13.5%, sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 20:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, there is a tax consequence for importers, although the break is at 14%.  

Last year one of my producers wanted me to redo a back label from 14% to 13% because the wine was 13.8%, and in France they&#039;re allowed to round down.  She labeled the French stock at 13.5% because she was convinced it would sell better.  So the wine writers in France also go for the lower alcohol wines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there is a tax consequence for importers, although the break is at 14%.  </p>
<p>Last year one of my producers wanted me to redo a back label from 14% to 13% because the wine was 13.8%, and in France they&#8217;re allowed to round down.  She labeled the French stock at 13.5% because she was convinced it would sell better.  So the wine writers in France also go for the lower alcohol wines.</p>
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		<title>By: miriam</title>
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		<dc:creator>miriam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 18:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there not a tax consequence?? I thought there was?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there not a tax consequence?? I thought there was?</p>
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		<title>By: Littlerip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Littlerip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 18:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@josh

Yes, you are correct, however just passing along real world informal accounts of evidence, just like comments from the wine makers informally indicating they understate alcohol levels for marketing purposes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@josh</p>
<p>Yes, you are correct, however just passing along real world informal accounts of evidence, just like comments from the wine makers informally indicating they understate alcohol levels for marketing purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: RageProblem</title>
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		<dc:creator>RageProblem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 18:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really late on the bandwagon for this story, and yet no matter how many times people in the industry that actually know what is going on explain it to everyone, you still just don&#039;t get it.

100% label accuracy is currently extremely difficult at best.  Label turnaround time can be months.  Blends typically aren&#039;t assembled until well after the labels have been ordered for various reasons.  The Winemaker/QC/QA person in charge or ordering labels will look at all of the data in the wine tracking software that they use, and calculate as close as possible to the expected final blend alcohol.

So why is it reported low?  BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE WINE WRITERS HAVE FORCED ON YOU!  Customers want the wine flavors that only come with ripe fruit, but have been convinced through the wine media that higher alcohol levels are a terrible thing.  News flash, the weather in California is MUCH warmer than the weather in the grape growing regions in Europe.  Our grapes actually get ripe and don&#039;t need added sugar to ferment how we want them.  Wines get lower scores solely because of high alcohol content.  Positive wine scores = sales because people buy what the Wine Speculator tells them to buy, so what do you think is going to happen?

I also love the people that think that a 0.5% alcohol difference is going to make any difference in whether or not they get a headache, it&#039;s laughable.  That&#039;s right, blame the wine and not the fact that you drank the whole bottle.

And you really needed some study to figure out that the rising alcohol levels has nothing to do with climate change?  Sounds like a typical grad student project.

So petition the TTB for stricter reporting levels, and go ahead and ask for calorie content, as well as every processing step that was ever involved in the production of that bottle of wine while you are at it.  We will comply, and happily pass the added expense on to the consumer.

I mean, what do you really want?  You want the flavors that come from ripe fruit, but at the same time you want lower alcohols.  You want more information about how the wine is made, yet scream and rage when you hear terms like &#039;watered&#039;, &#039;acid adjusted&#039;, &#039;tannin added&#039;, &#039;de-alcoholized&#039;, &#039;concentrate&#039; and a host of other terms you don&#039;t fully understand.  Oh, and make sure the wine gets at least a 90 in the Specualtor and costs less than $25.

I miss the days when wineries, and Winemakers, were allowed to make wine they way they want to make it, and hope sales are good because other people like it too.  Now winery production facilities are led by the sales and marketing teams of corporations that wouldn&#039;t know a good bottle of wine if it was shoved down thier throats.

Done with my rant, I&#039;ll go take my meds now.  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really late on the bandwagon for this story, and yet no matter how many times people in the industry that actually know what is going on explain it to everyone, you still just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>100% label accuracy is currently extremely difficult at best.  Label turnaround time can be months.  Blends typically aren&#8217;t assembled until well after the labels have been ordered for various reasons.  The Winemaker/QC/QA person in charge or ordering labels will look at all of the data in the wine tracking software that they use, and calculate as close as possible to the expected final blend alcohol.</p>
<p>So why is it reported low?  BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT THE WINE WRITERS HAVE FORCED ON YOU!  Customers want the wine flavors that only come with ripe fruit, but have been convinced through the wine media that higher alcohol levels are a terrible thing.  News flash, the weather in California is MUCH warmer than the weather in the grape growing regions in Europe.  Our grapes actually get ripe and don&#8217;t need added sugar to ferment how we want them.  Wines get lower scores solely because of high alcohol content.  Positive wine scores = sales because people buy what the Wine Speculator tells them to buy, so what do you think is going to happen?</p>
<p>I also love the people that think that a 0.5% alcohol difference is going to make any difference in whether or not they get a headache, it&#8217;s laughable.  That&#8217;s right, blame the wine and not the fact that you drank the whole bottle.</p>
<p>And you really needed some study to figure out that the rising alcohol levels has nothing to do with climate change?  Sounds like a typical grad student project.</p>
<p>So petition the TTB for stricter reporting levels, and go ahead and ask for calorie content, as well as every processing step that was ever involved in the production of that bottle of wine while you are at it.  We will comply, and happily pass the added expense on to the consumer.</p>
<p>I mean, what do you really want?  You want the flavors that come from ripe fruit, but at the same time you want lower alcohols.  You want more information about how the wine is made, yet scream and rage when you hear terms like &#8216;watered&#8217;, &#8216;acid adjusted&#8217;, &#8216;tannin added&#8217;, &#8216;de-alcoholized&#8217;, &#8216;concentrate&#8217; and a host of other terms you don&#8217;t fully understand.  Oh, and make sure the wine gets at least a 90 in the Specualtor and costs less than $25.</p>
<p>I miss the days when wineries, and Winemakers, were allowed to make wine they way they want to make it, and hope sales are good because other people like it too.  Now winery production facilities are led by the sales and marketing teams of corporations that wouldn&#8217;t know a good bottle of wine if it was shoved down thier throats.</p>
<p>Done with my rant, I&#8217;ll go take my meds now.  <img src='http://www.drvino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Zeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 17:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting comments.  I have two points to bring up.
1. How do we know that the liquor control board of Ontario knows how to measure alcohol any better than winemakers?
2. 0.3% is no biggie.  Doing quick math for total alcohol consumed, a bottle of 14.4% alcohol wine would be the same as consuming a bottle and a tablespoon of 14.1% alcohol wine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comments.  I have two points to bring up.<br />
1. How do we know that the liquor control board of Ontario knows how to measure alcohol any better than winemakers?<br />
2. 0.3% is no biggie.  Doing quick math for total alcohol consumed, a bottle of 14.4% alcohol wine would be the same as consuming a bottle and a tablespoon of 14.1% alcohol wine.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 16:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@littlerip

Luckily we don&#039;t have to rely on anecdotal information any longer! :-)

We have actual data. And the data says that all wines are under reported on ABV. The reasons *why* aren&#039;t proven, but the math behind the result is clear.

One of the many reasons why I love data. Folks should produce more of it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@littlerip</p>
<p>Luckily we don&#8217;t have to rely on anecdotal information any longer! <img src='http://www.drvino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>We have actual data. And the data says that all wines are under reported on ABV. The reasons *why* aren&#8217;t proven, but the math behind the result is clear.</p>
<p>One of the many reasons why I love data. Folks should produce more of it!</p>
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		<title>By: Littlerip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Littlerip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 16:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I own a retail store and greater than 90% of my customers pay no attention to the alcolhol level on the label. When I discuss alcohol level with customers who drink the CA over fruited high alcohol they say &quot;Oh that&#039;s why I always have an alcohol buzz after a glass and sometimes a hangover the next day. I believe alcohol is understated much more than the average .5%. I drink a lot of old world wines and don&#039;t get that alcohol buzz.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I own a retail store and greater than 90% of my customers pay no attention to the alcolhol level on the label. When I discuss alcohol level with customers who drink the CA over fruited high alcohol they say &#8220;Oh that&#8217;s why I always have an alcohol buzz after a glass and sometimes a hangover the next day. I believe alcohol is understated much more than the average .5%. I drink a lot of old world wines and don&#8217;t get that alcohol buzz.</p>
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