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	<title>Comments on: Aging Muscadet on the lees &#8211; and a Melon de Meursault</title>
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		<title>By: The other Spain, as brought imported by Andre Tamers &#124; Dr Vino&#039;s wine blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The other Spain, as brought imported by Andre Tamers &#124; Dr Vino&#039;s wine blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 18:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] indigenous yeast in the fermentations (true of all their wines) and spends one year in tank with lees stirring. It&#8217;s not made every vintage; in 2008, there was no cepas vellas. The 2009 is remarkable: like [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] indigenous yeast in the fermentations (true of all their wines) and spends one year in tank with lees stirring. It&#8217;s not made every vintage; in 2008, there was no cepas vellas. The 2009 is remarkable: like [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Vitabella Wine Daily Gossip – Luxury Wine – Marketing Strategy – Today Bordeaux 2010 prices to rise up to 15% . Also read about Sicilia, Champagne, Muscadet, Meursault, Primeur 2010, Mouton Rothschild, Occhipinti, rose wine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vitabella Wine Daily Gossip – Luxury Wine – Marketing Strategy – Today Bordeaux 2010 prices to rise up to 15% . Also read about Sicilia, Champagne, Muscadet, Meursault, Primeur 2010, Mouton Rothschild, Occhipinti, rose wine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 04:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The fine art of knowing wine (Wentworth Courier) Aussie Shiraz Comes of Age (Biscayne Times) Aging Muscadet on the lees – and a Melon de Meursault (Dr Vino) VitaBella Wine #Pinot Noir Post (VitaBella Wine for Pinot Noir Lovers)    var _gaq = _gaq [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The fine art of knowing wine (Wentworth Courier) Aussie Shiraz Comes of Age (Biscayne Times) Aging Muscadet on the lees – and a Melon de Meursault (Dr Vino) VitaBella Wine #Pinot Noir Post (VitaBella Wine for Pinot Noir Lovers)    var _gaq = _gaq [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 21:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just found your blog and love it! Thanks for the heads up on such great stuff!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found your blog and love it! Thanks for the heads up on such great stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Troutman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Troutman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 20:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tasted the &#039;05 Pueri Solis recently as well and fell in love! Gorgeous texture that screams for some creamy east coast oysters http://wineberserkers.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&amp;t=35542&amp;p=467045&amp;hilit=2005+luneau+papin#p467045

Interesting to see Coche playing with Melon. My gut tells me that if it were ever made commercially, its price would immediately make it the world&#039;s most expensive Melon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tasted the &#8217;05 Pueri Solis recently as well and fell in love! Gorgeous texture that screams for some creamy east coast oysters <a href="http://wineberserkers.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&#038;t=35542&#038;p=467045&#038;hilit=2005+luneau+papin#p467045" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://wineberserkers.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&#038;t=35542&#038;p=467045&#038;hilit=2005+luneau+papin#p467045</a></p>
<p>Interesting to see Coche playing with Melon. My gut tells me that if it were ever made commercially, its price would immediately make it the world&#8217;s most expensive Melon.</p>
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		<title>By: My Private Sommelier</title>
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		<dc:creator>My Private Sommelier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 14:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doctor, I love your Blog, and am very glad I discovered your excellent site. It is great to see attention given to Muscadet, sadly a very over-looked and under-appreciated varietal in the United States. I know your excellent and clear descripton hs inspired me to refresh my experience with Muscadet immediately. 

I recently wrote about Argentine Torrontes, another very floral and aromatic wine that doesnt get the attention it deserves and encourage your readers to give it a try. Producers like Crios and Trivento are making very affordable and very delicious Torrontes that is readily availabe in the USA.

We are also seeing more experimentation in California with ading sur lie and battonaging of Chardonnay&#039;s at the lower end of California&#039;s price range for Chardonnays. 2008 Zaca Mesa and 2009 Kendall Jackson Grand Reserve Chardonnays are great examples of lush, full-bodied wines under $15, created by Winemakers that put in a lot more effort but at only a little more cost.

Again thank you for for your excellent Blog!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctor, I love your Blog, and am very glad I discovered your excellent site. It is great to see attention given to Muscadet, sadly a very over-looked and under-appreciated varietal in the United States. I know your excellent and clear descripton hs inspired me to refresh my experience with Muscadet immediately. </p>
<p>I recently wrote about Argentine Torrontes, another very floral and aromatic wine that doesnt get the attention it deserves and encourage your readers to give it a try. Producers like Crios and Trivento are making very affordable and very delicious Torrontes that is readily availabe in the USA.</p>
<p>We are also seeing more experimentation in California with ading sur lie and battonaging of Chardonnay&#8217;s at the lower end of California&#8217;s price range for Chardonnays. 2008 Zaca Mesa and 2009 Kendall Jackson Grand Reserve Chardonnays are great examples of lush, full-bodied wines under $15, created by Winemakers that put in a lot more effort but at only a little more cost.</p>
<p>Again thank you for for your excellent Blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Vitabella Wine Daily Gossip – Luxury Wine – Marketing Strategy – Champagne, Muscadet, Meursault, Primeur 2010, Mouton Rothschild, Occhipinti, rose wine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vitabella Wine Daily Gossip – Luxury Wine – Marketing Strategy – Champagne, Muscadet, Meursault, Primeur 2010, Mouton Rothschild, Occhipinti, rose wine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 07:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 21:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Chris, 

Thanks very much for your detailed comment. I had &quot;ML&quot; scribbled next to the Pueri Solis but I couldn&#039;t recall if the wine underwent, in fact a malolactic fermentation so thanks for clarifying. 

That is pretty ironic that the extended aging on the lees of the Excelsior makes it inelegible for the &quot;sur lie&quot; designation! One day I aim to understand the logic of all the French wine rules...

Obi Wine Kenobi - Rock on! 

Dave - Thanks for pointing us to your post on the Granite de Clisson. 

All - it would be fun to do a tasting of troisieme niveau wines, especially from 2010!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris, </p>
<p>Thanks very much for your detailed comment. I had &#8220;ML&#8221; scribbled next to the Pueri Solis but I couldn&#8217;t recall if the wine underwent, in fact a malolactic fermentation so thanks for clarifying. </p>
<p>That is pretty ironic that the extended aging on the lees of the Excelsior makes it inelegible for the &#8220;sur lie&#8221; designation! One day I aim to understand the logic of all the French wine rules&#8230;</p>
<p>Obi Wine Kenobi &#8211; Rock on! </p>
<p>Dave &#8211; Thanks for pointing us to your post on the Granite de Clisson. </p>
<p>All &#8211; it would be fun to do a tasting of troisieme niveau wines, especially from 2010!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kissack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Kissack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 06:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice to see this Muscadet post Tyler.

I think an important point with Pueri Solis is that itis very atypical for Muscadet. The top two cuvées are the first two you have mentioned - L d&#039;Or and Excelsior/Clos des Noëlles. The first is the classic Muscadet S&amp;M sur lie - cool fermentation, no malolactic, bottling before November the year after harvest in order to get the sur lie designataion. Whereas Excelsior is their &quot;Troisième Niveau&quot; cuvée, handled in much the same way but left on the lees for an extended period of time, as you indicate, making it (paradoxically) ineligible for the sur lie designation.

The Pueri Solis, however, is something of an anomaly and I am not sure Pierre-Marie Luneau and father Pierre will be making it again. It is an experimental cuvée, and alongside the  extended lees aging you mention it has also undergone malolactic. It has a very different style from the preceding two wines, sweet and peachy on the nose, with a softer style in the mouth and less profound minerality than they achieve in some other wines. It is a good wine in its own right, but it veers too far away from the structure and vibrancy that Muscadet can bring for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice to see this Muscadet post Tyler.</p>
<p>I think an important point with Pueri Solis is that itis very atypical for Muscadet. The top two cuvées are the first two you have mentioned &#8211; L d&#8217;Or and Excelsior/Clos des Noëlles. The first is the classic Muscadet S&amp;M sur lie &#8211; cool fermentation, no malolactic, bottling before November the year after harvest in order to get the sur lie designataion. Whereas Excelsior is their &#8220;Troisième Niveau&#8221; cuvée, handled in much the same way but left on the lees for an extended period of time, as you indicate, making it (paradoxically) ineligible for the sur lie designation.</p>
<p>The Pueri Solis, however, is something of an anomaly and I am not sure Pierre-Marie Luneau and father Pierre will be making it again. It is an experimental cuvée, and alongside the  extended lees aging you mention it has also undergone malolactic. It has a very different style from the preceding two wines, sweet and peachy on the nose, with a softer style in the mouth and less profound minerality than they achieve in some other wines. It is a good wine in its own right, but it veers too far away from the structure and vibrancy that Muscadet can bring for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Obi Wine Kenobi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obi Wine Kenobi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 23:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent! No one will look at me like I&#039;m nuts ever again! Bring on the next funky thing, perhaps German whites other than Riesling and Gewurz?  Gutedel, Silvaner, Elbling, Ortega perhaps? Thanks for the good read Doc!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! No one will look at me like I&#8217;m nuts ever again! Bring on the next funky thing, perhaps German whites other than Riesling and Gewurz?  Gutedel, Silvaner, Elbling, Ortega perhaps? Thanks for the good read Doc!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Erickson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Erickson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 19:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, indeed, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.winemule.com/2011/04/new-wave-aged-muscadet.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;muscadet can age nicely.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, indeed, <a href="http://www.winemule.com/2011/04/new-wave-aged-muscadet.html" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">muscadet can age nicely.</a></p>
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