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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/04/29/james-suckling-wine-website-divino/#comment-342193</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 19:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How can he see the color of a wine through that cloud of cigar smoke?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can he see the color of a wine through that cloud of cigar smoke?</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/04/29/james-suckling-wine-website-divino/#comment-341801</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 17:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guy, Thank you for that intervention, pointing out the chronology of Suckling&#039;s column coming together. 

Joe Jensen - thanks for the comment about color. Yes, exactly, what shade would receive a full 15 points for color? And does that vary for nebbiolo, pinot and cabernet? Young wine/old wine? etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy, Thank you for that intervention, pointing out the chronology of Suckling&#8217;s column coming together. </p>
<p>Joe Jensen &#8211; thanks for the comment about color. Yes, exactly, what shade would receive a full 15 points for color? And does that vary for nebbiolo, pinot and cabernet? Young wine/old wine? etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Wino</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/04/29/james-suckling-wine-website-divino/#comment-341800</link>
		<dc:creator>Wino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 17:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t we just talk about The Hair?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t we just talk about The Hair?</p>
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		<title>By: Guy Woodward</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/04/29/james-suckling-wine-website-divino/#comment-341793</link>
		<dc:creator>Guy Woodward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 14:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guy Woodward, editor of Decanter, commented below Tom Maresca’s original post: ‘James Suckling’s piece was an adjunct to a larger piece about the popularity of Italian wine in the US. Suckling was asked to write an opinion piece to complement this, on the subject of the diminishing relevance of ‘SuperTuscan’ wines, something which, as the reviewer of Italian wines for one of the US’ leading wine publications over a period of two decades, he is eminently qualified to do. Whether or not you like the piece is a matter of opinion. Like any other guest column in Decanter, however, his views and those of winemakers quoted in it do not necessarily reflect that of the magazine. But we believe in being an open church – allowing and airing multiple views. It should be noted that Suckling is not recommending wines for Decanter, nor was his upcoming event – which had not been announced at the time the piece was written – promoted with the piece.’]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guy Woodward, editor of Decanter, commented below Tom Maresca’s original post: ‘James Suckling’s piece was an adjunct to a larger piece about the popularity of Italian wine in the US. Suckling was asked to write an opinion piece to complement this, on the subject of the diminishing relevance of ‘SuperTuscan’ wines, something which, as the reviewer of Italian wines for one of the US’ leading wine publications over a period of two decades, he is eminently qualified to do. Whether or not you like the piece is a matter of opinion. Like any other guest column in Decanter, however, his views and those of winemakers quoted in it do not necessarily reflect that of the magazine. But we believe in being an open church – allowing and airing multiple views. It should be noted that Suckling is not recommending wines for Decanter, nor was his upcoming event – which had not been announced at the time the piece was written – promoted with the piece.’</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Cruse</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/04/29/james-suckling-wine-website-divino/#comment-341730</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Cruse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 17:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tyler, not everything the NYT publishes is journalism &amp; I don&#039;t think they&#039;re saying it is. There are certainly elements of the NYT that are journalistic &amp; elements that aren&#039;t - same with Decanter Magazine. 

The definition of journalism I discussed is not &quot;mine&quot;. It&#039;s the definition offered by the World English Dictionary, Merriam Webster, Encarta, &amp; more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler, not everything the NYT publishes is journalism &amp; I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re saying it is. There are certainly elements of the NYT that are journalistic &amp; elements that aren&#8217;t &#8211; same with Decanter Magazine. </p>
<p>The definition of journalism I discussed is not &#8220;mine&#8221;. It&#8217;s the definition offered by the World English Dictionary, Merriam Webster, Encarta, &amp; more.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2011/04/29/james-suckling-wine-website-divino/#comment-341729</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 16:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dale, You have a narrow definition of journalism. The New York Times has a more expansive definition than the one you suggest since their &quot;ethics in journalism&quot; policy it applies to all sections, not just &quot;news.&quot; 

http://www.nytco.com/press/ethics.html

Whether you agree with their policy or not is another matter. But it does apply to the whole paper, including features, op-eds, and, yes, reviews.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dale, You have a narrow definition of journalism. The New York Times has a more expansive definition than the one you suggest since their &#8220;ethics in journalism&#8221; policy it applies to all sections, not just &#8220;news.&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytco.com/press/ethics.html" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://www.nytco.com/press/ethics.html</a></p>
<p>Whether you agree with their policy or not is another matter. But it does apply to the whole paper, including features, op-eds, and, yes, reviews.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Cruse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Cruse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 15:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tyler, the review elements of Decanter Magazine are, by definition, not journalism. Other elements of the magazine may be.

Consumer Reports reviews, by definition, are not journalism either. Restaurant review, car reviews, etc., are, by definition, not journalism. 

Yes, I&#039;m saying the same thing over &amp; over, but the real question is WHY none of the things I&#039;ve mentioned are journalism. Journalism is, by definition (not MY definition, but the accepted definition) publishing NEWS in a publication, be it newspaper, magazine, TV, Internet, etc.

Reviews simply aren&#039;t news. The fact that a new restaurant opened could be news. But someone&#039;s opinion of said restaurant is not news &amp; therefore not journalism. The introduction of a new fuel efficient car might be news, but the review itself is not newsworthy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler, the review elements of Decanter Magazine are, by definition, not journalism. Other elements of the magazine may be.</p>
<p>Consumer Reports reviews, by definition, are not journalism either. Restaurant review, car reviews, etc., are, by definition, not journalism. </p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m saying the same thing over &amp; over, but the real question is WHY none of the things I&#8217;ve mentioned are journalism. Journalism is, by definition (not MY definition, but the accepted definition) publishing NEWS in a publication, be it newspaper, magazine, TV, Internet, etc.</p>
<p>Reviews simply aren&#8217;t news. The fact that a new restaurant opened could be news. But someone&#8217;s opinion of said restaurant is not news &amp; therefore not journalism. The introduction of a new fuel efficient car might be news, but the review itself is not newsworthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 15:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave E - Yes, Suckling&#039;s revelation in Mondovino was astonishing. 

Dale C - The column in question was in Decanter magazine. Are you saying that they don&#039;t practice journalism at that publication? 

I do think the lack of comment from the editors there is surprising. 

As to the subject of whether reviewing is journalism, I wholeheartedly believe that it is. Dale, are you suggesting that Consumer Reports does not practice journalism because it almost entirely does product reviews? Or that a restaurant reviewer could announce his or her visit, get the meal comped, and have the chef cater for free a subsequent rooftop party simply because the review is &quot;subjective&quot; and thus not bound to the strictures of journalistic ethics? Or if a car reviewer got to keep a new loaner for a period of months?

I agree that disclosure and transparency are key and encourage Suckling to produce a statement of ethics. In some segments he appears to pay his own way, paying for the wine at retail. But things are less clear with the winery visits. And then there&#039;s the whole pay-to-pour (pourola?) at Divino Tuscany. Although his website came of age after &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the FTC guidelines on endorsements&lt;/a&gt; (and the FTC has not been vigilant about enforcement), he is still bound by them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave E &#8211; Yes, Suckling&#8217;s revelation in Mondovino was astonishing. </p>
<p>Dale C &#8211; The column in question was in Decanter magazine. Are you saying that they don&#8217;t practice journalism at that publication? </p>
<p>I do think the lack of comment from the editors there is surprising. </p>
<p>As to the subject of whether reviewing is journalism, I wholeheartedly believe that it is. Dale, are you suggesting that Consumer Reports does not practice journalism because it almost entirely does product reviews? Or that a restaurant reviewer could announce his or her visit, get the meal comped, and have the chef cater for free a subsequent rooftop party simply because the review is &#8220;subjective&#8221; and thus not bound to the strictures of journalistic ethics? Or if a car reviewer got to keep a new loaner for a period of months?</p>
<p>I agree that disclosure and transparency are key and encourage Suckling to produce a statement of ethics. In some segments he appears to pay his own way, paying for the wine at retail. But things are less clear with the winery visits. And then there&#8217;s the whole pay-to-pour (pourola?) at Divino Tuscany. Although his website came of age after <a href="http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/10/endortest.shtm" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">the FTC guidelines on endorsements</a> (and the FTC has not been vigilant about enforcement), he is still bound by them.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 13:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your comments. I&#039;ll post more later today but I just wanted to flag the interesting discussion on this topic at Wine Diarist (includes comments from Galloni and others):

http://winediarist.com/under-a-tuscan-cloud/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments. I&#8217;ll post more later today but I just wanted to flag the interesting discussion on this topic at Wine Diarist (includes comments from Galloni and others):</p>
<p><a href="http://winediarist.com/under-a-tuscan-cloud/" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://winediarist.com/under-a-tuscan-cloud/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Miserez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Miserez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 11:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suckling is a joke! The man is a caricature of himself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suckling is a joke! The man is a caricature of himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Cruse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Cruse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 19:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@justalinguist Reviewing IS journalism? Not in my book. Not at CBS News, where I used to work. And not in the dictionary.

Reviewing, by definition, is subjective. Journalism, by definition, attempts to be objective. Not the same thing at all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@justalinguist Reviewing IS journalism? Not in my book. Not at CBS News, where I used to work. And not in the dictionary.</p>
<p>Reviewing, by definition, is subjective. Journalism, by definition, attempts to be objective. Not the same thing at all.</p>
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		<title>By: justalinguist</title>
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		<dc:creator>justalinguist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 18:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aaron, &quot;fewer&quot; not &quot;less&quot;

Dale, &quot;reviewing&quot; IS journalism, if done as an honest advocate for the consumer. Otherwise it is shilling.

Is Suckling actually reviewing the wines honestly for consumers or just making up nice words to please his friends and adver... uh, sponsors, I have no idea so I cannot pronounce on his ethics.

I can say that he and his pompous attitudes do not appeal to my sensibilities at all, so I simply tune him out (although his daughter sings reasonably well.)

Truth is, I do look at his videos, but only in search of the cringe-factor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, &#8220;fewer&#8221; not &#8220;less&#8221;</p>
<p>Dale, &#8220;reviewing&#8221; IS journalism, if done as an honest advocate for the consumer. Otherwise it is shilling.</p>
<p>Is Suckling actually reviewing the wines honestly for consumers or just making up nice words to please his friends and adver&#8230; uh, sponsors, I have no idea so I cannot pronounce on his ethics.</p>
<p>I can say that he and his pompous attitudes do not appeal to my sensibilities at all, so I simply tune him out (although his daughter sings reasonably well.)</p>
<p>Truth is, I do look at his videos, but only in search of the cringe-factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Jensen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Jensen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 14:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no way a way should be given any points for color because you can not judge color unless you bring a consistent lighting source with you to evaluate color. 
Before I got into the wine industry I worked in the printing industry where we did a lot of color work. Our shop and our better customer&#039;s offices were set up with color viewing areas for consistent viewing situations. That was the only way to guarantee consistency.
Unless Suckling and Parker are bringing light boxes with them everywhere they taste, there should absolutely be no points for color.
Gee, I wonder why Mega Purple is so popular????]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no way a way should be given any points for color because you can not judge color unless you bring a consistent lighting source with you to evaluate color.<br />
Before I got into the wine industry I worked in the printing industry where we did a lot of color work. Our shop and our better customer&#8217;s offices were set up with color viewing areas for consistent viewing situations. That was the only way to guarantee consistency.<br />
Unless Suckling and Parker are bringing light boxes with them everywhere they taste, there should absolutely be no points for color.<br />
Gee, I wonder why Mega Purple is so popular????</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 14:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The former Wall Street Journal wine columnists had the best ethical stance of any wine journalist I am aware of. We need more like John &amp; Dottie and less like Suckling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The former Wall Street Journal wine columnists had the best ethical stance of any wine journalist I am aware of. We need more like John &amp; Dottie and less like Suckling.</p>
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		<title>By: Terroirist &#187; Daily Wine News: Journalistic Ethics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terroirist &#187; Daily Wine News: Journalistic Ethics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 12:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] decision to feature Suckling so prominently in its latest issue. The piece is worth reading. (H/T: Dr. Vino and Mike [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] decision to feature Suckling so prominently in its latest issue. The piece is worth reading. (H/T: Dr. Vino and Mike [...]</p>
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