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		<title>By: Jason Haas can&#8217;t find lightweight bottles that don&#8217;t look cheap &#124; Dr Vino&#39;s wine blog</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2010/01/15/wine-information-back-label/#comment-295418</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Haas can&#8217;t find lightweight bottles that don&#8217;t look cheap &#124; Dr Vino&#39;s wine blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] with bulky, bling bottles from a bygone era. Give us good wine, give us a pretty front label and an informative back label, but keep the heavy [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2010/01/15/wine-information-back-label/#comment-295042</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I continue to receive good feedback from friends.  This just came in today: 

Hi Damien,

I ran the back label copy issue past my personal focus group (sister &amp; brother-in-law) over the weekend. It was done in a somewhat scientific manner as they did not know why I was asking or where I was headed with the questions. 


While they don&#039;t make wine a hobby, they are regular wine drinkers and consciously note their preferences to style, varietal and sometimes even country/region. While they don&#039;t maintain a &quot;cellar&quot; they routinely buy wine to maintain a 3-4 case inventory in the house that is made up of about 60% daily drinkers $14-$19, 30% &quot;better meal&quot; wines in the $20s and a few special bottles beyond that. They read no wine mags and their store selections are usually based on price point/region (e.g. French chard at $19 vs. Cali at $19), store recommendation and occasionally an exploration into a different price point/region/varietal for fun.


Their thoughts on the back label:
Flavor descriptors are definitely welcome and do not reduce the wine perceived quality or status. Descriptors would not affect whether they chose a bottle or not. 
While they found food pairing interesting, they stated it would reduce the perceived quality and status of the wine. They would be less likely to buy a wine with food pairings than an equally priced bottle without them. The interest probably stems from the fact that they cook from recipes quite a bit and most include a wine pairing. 
Details regarding winemaking beyond the most basic (e.g. Oak, No Oak, etc) were found to be excessive and were ignored.
Information regarding the winery, winemaker, history of the dirt, etc. was interesting and desirable and might cause them to pick between two equal priced wines. 
Hope this is helpful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I continue to receive good feedback from friends.  This just came in today: </p>
<p>Hi Damien,</p>
<p>I ran the back label copy issue past my personal focus group (sister &amp; brother-in-law) over the weekend. It was done in a somewhat scientific manner as they did not know why I was asking or where I was headed with the questions. </p>
<p>While they don&#8217;t make wine a hobby, they are regular wine drinkers and consciously note their preferences to style, varietal and sometimes even country/region. While they don&#8217;t maintain a &#8220;cellar&#8221; they routinely buy wine to maintain a 3-4 case inventory in the house that is made up of about 60% daily drinkers $14-$19, 30% &#8220;better meal&#8221; wines in the $20s and a few special bottles beyond that. They read no wine mags and their store selections are usually based on price point/region (e.g. French chard at $19 vs. Cali at $19), store recommendation and occasionally an exploration into a different price point/region/varietal for fun.</p>
<p>Their thoughts on the back label:<br />
Flavor descriptors are definitely welcome and do not reduce the wine perceived quality or status. Descriptors would not affect whether they chose a bottle or not.<br />
While they found food pairing interesting, they stated it would reduce the perceived quality and status of the wine. They would be less likely to buy a wine with food pairings than an equally priced bottle without them. The interest probably stems from the fact that they cook from recipes quite a bit and most include a wine pairing.<br />
Details regarding winemaking beyond the most basic (e.g. Oak, No Oak, etc) were found to be excessive and were ignored.<br />
Information regarding the winery, winemaker, history of the dirt, etc. was interesting and desirable and might cause them to pick between two equal priced wines.<br />
Hope this is helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Burt</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2010/01/15/wine-information-back-label/#comment-295020</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel Burt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that if a winery must put notes on the back label, winemaking methods, aging potential,  and style are much more useful than tasting notes. Technical details other than a precise alcohol percentage are very confusing to 99% percent of the people out there and probably lead to the perception that enjoyment wine is too complicated for the everyman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that if a winery must put notes on the back label, winemaking methods, aging potential,  and style are much more useful than tasting notes. Technical details other than a precise alcohol percentage are very confusing to 99% percent of the people out there and probably lead to the perception that enjoyment wine is too complicated for the everyman.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2010/01/15/wine-information-back-label/#comment-295001</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would love it if the producers would print the sweetness scale - e.g. &quot;demi-sec&quot; somewhere on the flippin label. Loire whites like Vouvray are a nightmare in this regard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love it if the producers would print the sweetness scale &#8211; e.g. &#8220;demi-sec&#8221; somewhere on the flippin label. Loire whites like Vouvray are a nightmare in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wine Mule</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2010/01/15/wine-information-back-label/#comment-294999</link>
		<dc:creator>The Wine Mule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 20:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do think &quot;non-obvious&quot; information should appear on a label, but I may have a different notion than some of what &quot;non-obvious&quot; means. For example:

&quot;Government warning: (1) According to the Surgeon General, women should not drink alcoholic beverages during pregnancy because of the risk of birth defects. (2) Consumption of alcoholic beverages impairs your ability to drive a car or operate machinery and may cause health problems.&quot; 

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is real, but complete abstinence from alcohol is hardly the only permissible response. In Immoderate America, it seems it&#039;s always got to be all or nothing. 

Anyone who doesn&#039;t realize that wine will &quot;impair your ability to drive...&quot; should not be drinking wine at all, and probably shouldn&#039;t be allowed out on the streets without a leash.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think &#8220;non-obvious&#8221; information should appear on a label, but I may have a different notion than some of what &#8220;non-obvious&#8221; means. For example:</p>
<p>&#8220;Government warning: (1) According to the Surgeon General, women should not drink alcoholic beverages during pregnancy because of the risk of birth defects. (2) Consumption of alcoholic beverages impairs your ability to drive a car or operate machinery and may cause health problems.&#8221; </p>
<p>Fetal Alcohol Syndrome is real, but complete abstinence from alcohol is hardly the only permissible response. In Immoderate America, it seems it&#8217;s always got to be all or nothing. </p>
<p>Anyone who doesn&#8217;t realize that wine will &#8220;impair your ability to drive&#8230;&#8221; should not be drinking wine at all, and probably shouldn&#8217;t be allowed out on the streets without a leash.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2010/01/15/wine-information-back-label/#comment-294996</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has lead me to recognize a parallel between info at an art museum and wine labels.  I am more idiot than savant when it comes to art, so I like to see context next to the piece I am looking at, without being &quot;sold&quot;.  I love shows that help me appreciate a particular piece or style more thouroughly through education.  

I&#039;d love to write a label that worked the same way, introducing a consumer to a region, maybe even asking a few leading questions that spark a train of thought.  I leave well run exhibits wanting to learn more.  I wonder if it&#039;s possible to find a voice that can speak in an encouraging tone - i.e. one that encourages the consumer to try not only this wine but others from the region, as opposed to a pure sales and marketing push.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has lead me to recognize a parallel between info at an art museum and wine labels.  I am more idiot than savant when it comes to art, so I like to see context next to the piece I am looking at, without being &#8220;sold&#8221;.  I love shows that help me appreciate a particular piece or style more thouroughly through education.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to write a label that worked the same way, introducing a consumer to a region, maybe even asking a few leading questions that spark a train of thought.  I leave well run exhibits wanting to learn more.  I wonder if it&#8217;s possible to find a voice that can speak in an encouraging tone &#8211; i.e. one that encourages the consumer to try not only this wine but others from the region, as opposed to a pure sales and marketing push.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2010/01/15/wine-information-back-label/#comment-294994</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can we differentiate between flavor characteristics and &quot;style notes&quot;? Sometimes I say I want &quot;tasting notes&quot;, but I really mean &quot;style notes&quot;. I don&#039;t care about words like chocolate, cassis, or bark. 

Same with &quot;pairing&quot; suggestions. What I really want is a note that tells me that this wine&#039;s characteristics make it suitable to be drunk in certain ways (alone, ice cold, with fatty red meats, with spicy foods, etc.). 

This needn&#039;t be off-putting - independents and contrarians should be proud to ignore this info!

I really do find style notes and drinking notes helpful when I&#039;m in the wine shop, both on expensive and on inexpensive wines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we differentiate between flavor characteristics and &#8220;style notes&#8221;? Sometimes I say I want &#8220;tasting notes&#8221;, but I really mean &#8220;style notes&#8221;. I don&#8217;t care about words like chocolate, cassis, or bark. </p>
<p>Same with &#8220;pairing&#8221; suggestions. What I really want is a note that tells me that this wine&#8217;s characteristics make it suitable to be drunk in certain ways (alone, ice cold, with fatty red meats, with spicy foods, etc.). </p>
<p>This needn&#8217;t be off-putting &#8211; independents and contrarians should be proud to ignore this info!</p>
<p>I really do find style notes and drinking notes helpful when I&#8217;m in the wine shop, both on expensive and on inexpensive wines.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2010/01/15/wine-information-back-label/#comment-294993</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the cellaring potential on that label is a nice touch. I wouldn&#039;t have thought to ask for it.

And I definitely don&#039;t need to know about brix.

Additives would be nice. Natural yeast or designer yeast. Sulfites. Wood chips. You know, the things that let us see how much the wine has been worked on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the cellaring potential on that label is a nice touch. I wouldn&#8217;t have thought to ask for it.</p>
<p>And I definitely don&#8217;t need to know about brix.</p>
<p>Additives would be nice. Natural yeast or designer yeast. Sulfites. Wood chips. You know, the things that let us see how much the wine has been worked on.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2010/01/15/wine-information-back-label/#comment-294992</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like only government mandated information on the back label.  We is the U.S. have successfully made wine so confusing to consumers that we are victims of our own over-zealous attempts (read: &quot;BS&quot;) to turn even insipid wines into mythical objects.  While people in other countries treat wine as part of their food and culture, we have poked it, prodded it, over-analyzed it to death and created a category that many consumers view with suspicion and dread.  Let the wine speak for itself and do away with all the noise contributed by pompous winemakers and starry-eyed marketers that no longer have the ability to look at their wines with objectivity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like only government mandated information on the back label.  We is the U.S. have successfully made wine so confusing to consumers that we are victims of our own over-zealous attempts (read: &#8220;BS&#8221;) to turn even insipid wines into mythical objects.  While people in other countries treat wine as part of their food and culture, we have poked it, prodded it, over-analyzed it to death and created a category that many consumers view with suspicion and dread.  Let the wine speak for itself and do away with all the noise contributed by pompous winemakers and starry-eyed marketers that no longer have the ability to look at their wines with objectivity.</p>
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		<title>By: Katrin</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2010/01/15/wine-information-back-label/#comment-294989</link>
		<dc:creator>Katrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ciao! I work for a small family winery in Italy and found this discussion really fascinating. We just had our first harvest in 2009 and spent lots of time trying to figure out what to put on the back label. Finally we resorted to a sentence about our winery and reference to the website, as this is where anyone can get more detailed information e.g. tasting notes and technical information. I also find tasting notes on a back label &#039;subjective and self promotional&#039; as Laurie put it :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ciao! I work for a small family winery in Italy and found this discussion really fascinating. We just had our first harvest in 2009 and spent lots of time trying to figure out what to put on the back label. Finally we resorted to a sentence about our winery and reference to the website, as this is where anyone can get more detailed information e.g. tasting notes and technical information. I also find tasting notes on a back label &#8216;subjective and self promotional&#8217; as Laurie put it <img src='http://www.drvino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Konstantinos</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2010/01/15/wine-information-back-label/#comment-294986</link>
		<dc:creator>Konstantinos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the back of a wine label, I would like to see the varieties and their percentuales, information on the place of origin of grapes, place and manner winemaking. Also information is combined with what foods.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the back of a wine label, I would like to see the varieties and their percentuales, information on the place of origin of grapes, place and manner winemaking. Also information is combined with what foods.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin@Good for the Palate</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2010/01/15/wine-information-back-label/#comment-294982</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin@Good for the Palate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 02:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would love to see the varietals on the label, however, one of the reasons producers don&#039;t add that information (at least in the case of non-vintages) is that the blend may be different from season to season. 

However, this really is only applicable to informing the customer of percentages of each grape.

When it comes to the actual grape names, it should be easy to disclose that info. 

Tasting notes always make me happy, because unless you are a wine buff you don&#039;t know what the difference is between one wine from the French Rhone Valley and another. 

Pairings on the other hand do tend to back a wine into a corner. Any decent wine store clerk should be able to recommend a wine to pair with your dinner. 

As far as the organic and allergen info, I think its a good idea, because I don&#039;t like doing the research to tell my customers that info.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see the varietals on the label, however, one of the reasons producers don&#8217;t add that information (at least in the case of non-vintages) is that the blend may be different from season to season. </p>
<p>However, this really is only applicable to informing the customer of percentages of each grape.</p>
<p>When it comes to the actual grape names, it should be easy to disclose that info. </p>
<p>Tasting notes always make me happy, because unless you are a wine buff you don&#8217;t know what the difference is between one wine from the French Rhone Valley and another. </p>
<p>Pairings on the other hand do tend to back a wine into a corner. Any decent wine store clerk should be able to recommend a wine to pair with your dinner. </p>
<p>As far as the organic and allergen info, I think its a good idea, because I don&#8217;t like doing the research to tell my customers that info.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To add to what Kim said above (about someone being allergic to bananas), I have had the same thing happen where I work!  People come into the store and read descriptors like &quot;notes of plum,&quot; or &quot;chocolate notes,&quot; or the like, and think that those things are actually IN the wine!  Funny.  

I for sure like knowing the grape varietals and percentages in blends, and you don&#039;t always find this info on labels. Which I just don&#039;t get. I find it so darned annoying when this info is nowhere to be found ON the wine label itself, or even online when you go to the producer&#039;s website. I for one want to know what&#039;s in a blend I&#039;m drinking, as it helps me know what other kinds of blends I&#039;d like to try!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add to what Kim said above (about someone being allergic to bananas), I have had the same thing happen where I work!  People come into the store and read descriptors like &#8220;notes of plum,&#8221; or &#8220;chocolate notes,&#8221; or the like, and think that those things are actually IN the wine!  Funny.  </p>
<p>I for sure like knowing the grape varietals and percentages in blends, and you don&#8217;t always find this info on labels. Which I just don&#8217;t get. I find it so darned annoying when this info is nowhere to be found ON the wine label itself, or even online when you go to the producer&#8217;s website. I for one want to know what&#8217;s in a blend I&#8217;m drinking, as it helps me know what other kinds of blends I&#8217;d like to try!</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Olken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie Olken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 23:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wineries may have to sell wine to stay in business, but a wne label is a legal document and it is required to avoid language that is suggestive of quality.

There are minimum requirements for informaton, some of which are at present insufficient (see my comments above). Beyond that, there is information that many of us would like to see, and certainly ought to be optional. 

Listing clones of PN seems like a waste to me, for example, but it is truthful so it ought to be optional for the winery. There are all kinds and types of truthful information for which there is simply no room on wine labels, but a winery certainly should be able to tell the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wineries may have to sell wine to stay in business, but a wne label is a legal document and it is required to avoid language that is suggestive of quality.</p>
<p>There are minimum requirements for informaton, some of which are at present insufficient (see my comments above). Beyond that, there is information that many of us would like to see, and certainly ought to be optional. </p>
<p>Listing clones of PN seems like a waste to me, for example, but it is truthful so it ought to be optional for the winery. There are all kinds and types of truthful information for which there is simply no room on wine labels, but a winery certainly should be able to tell the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wine Mule is right. I did not mean to say that all wineries should strive to sell to as many people as possible. Clearly there are some small wineries that will appeal to a small selection of people. Not every winery wants to sell millions or even thousands of cases. Some will make the kind of wine they like and hope others like it too.

For the most part, a winery needs to sell its wine to stay in business. And since a winery can make several wines (at least here in California), it can appeal to different segments of the market with different choices. But it should pay attention to what their customers want, both in the bottle and on the label.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wine Mule is right. I did not mean to say that all wineries should strive to sell to as many people as possible. Clearly there are some small wineries that will appeal to a small selection of people. Not every winery wants to sell millions or even thousands of cases. Some will make the kind of wine they like and hope others like it too.</p>
<p>For the most part, a winery needs to sell its wine to stay in business. And since a winery can make several wines (at least here in California), it can appeal to different segments of the market with different choices. But it should pay attention to what their customers want, both in the bottle and on the label.</p>
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