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		<title>By: Neil Maiers</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/10/19/wine-100-points-score-robert-parker-audio/#comment-286889</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Maiers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim Boyce gets my vote, I&#039;d definityly add Laurie&#039;s &quot;Loved it at that price point&quot;, and I might add &quot;Did not care for it enough to pay so much, in spite of earning a high score in several wine magazines&quot; ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Boyce gets my vote, I&#8217;d definityly add Laurie&#8217;s &#8220;Loved it at that price point&#8221;, and I might add &#8220;Did not care for it enough to pay so much, in spite of earning a high score in several wine magazines&#8221; <img src='http://www.drvino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Cositas y cosotas: 23.10.2009 &#171; La otra botella</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cositas y cosotas: 23.10.2009 &#171; La otra botella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 15:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] de la cultureta actual del vino (e inventor de la hipérbole numérica), Robert M. Parker Jr. Dr. Vino  devuelve al candelero el tema de cierta reciente cata a ciegas de burdeos de la [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] de la cultureta actual del vino (e inventor de la hipérbole numérica), Robert M. Parker Jr. Dr. Vino  devuelve al candelero el tema de cierta reciente cata a ciegas de burdeos de la [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. V, the Haut Brion inconsistency seems much more egregious than the relative placement of &quot;99&quot; or &quot;100&quot; point scores for a few wines.  I doubt that most would, at maturity rate the HB 85, but then (of course) i have not had it, so I really don&#039;t know at all, but what you say does make sense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. V, the Haut Brion inconsistency seems much more egregious than the relative placement of &#8220;99&#8243; or &#8220;100&#8243; point scores for a few wines.  I doubt that most would, at maturity rate the HB 85, but then (of course) i have not had it, so I really don&#8217;t know at all, but what you say does make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having been in the wine community over the last 25 years as a hobby, in wine retail, and the auction business, my only advice regarding Parker is...you sell your wine based on his reports, you certainly don&#039;t buy it that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been in the wine community over the last 25 years as a hobby, in wine retail, and the auction business, my only advice regarding Parker is&#8230;you sell your wine based on his reports, you certainly don&#8217;t buy it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve come to accept that the scale used, be it 100 or otherwise, is partly that of a subjective reaction by the person posting it. It&#039;s up to the reader to equate their tastes to the critics which align with their own. Once the consumer develops their own sense of self when it comes to taste, they will be better able to discern the meaning behind the points they read.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve come to accept that the scale used, be it 100 or otherwise, is partly that of a subjective reaction by the person posting it. It&#8217;s up to the reader to equate their tastes to the critics which align with their own. Once the consumer develops their own sense of self when it comes to taste, they will be better able to discern the meaning behind the points they read.</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Camblor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manuel Camblor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I do get to look at them, prognostications of cellarworthiness and evolutionary curves by Parker make for great comedy. I always thought that stuff would make a great subject for an episode of &quot;Penn and Teller: Bullshit!&quot; Is that show still on and any good?

Just sayin&#039;.

Best,

LL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I do get to look at them, prognostications of cellarworthiness and evolutionary curves by Parker make for great comedy. I always thought that stuff would make a great subject for an episode of &#8220;Penn and Teller: Bullshit!&#8221; Is that show still on and any good?</p>
<p>Just sayin&#8217;.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>LL</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Michael, 

Yes, taking into consideration how the wine will age is a part of Parker&#039;s scoring method. 

&quot;the overall quality level or potential for further evolution and improvement—aging—merits up to 10 points.&quot;

http://www.erobertparker.com/info/legend.asp

This brings us to the shocking score (85 points) of Haut-Brion. Sure, it was closed that evening, and it was wedged in the unfortunate position of being between Pavie and Pape Clement. But it was clear to me that it was a great wine. 

Parker ss renowned for his forecasting ability. Indeed, on his bulletin board, he later posted that in 10 years the HB will be &quot;awesome.&quot; Could he not detect the quality that evening? Or since he apparently did, why did he rate it 85 points?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael, </p>
<p>Yes, taking into consideration how the wine will age is a part of Parker&#8217;s scoring method. </p>
<p>&#8220;the overall quality level or potential for further evolution and improvement—aging—merits up to 10 points.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.erobertparker.com/info/legend.asp" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://www.erobertparker.com/info/legend.asp</a></p>
<p>This brings us to the shocking score (85 points) of Haut-Brion. Sure, it was closed that evening, and it was wedged in the unfortunate position of being between Pavie and Pape Clement. But it was clear to me that it was a great wine. </p>
<p>Parker ss renowned for his forecasting ability. Indeed, on his bulletin board, he later posted that in 10 years the HB will be &#8220;awesome.&#8221; Could he not detect the quality that evening? Or since he apparently did, why did he rate it 85 points?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To play devil&#039;s advocate here I have to assume that his scoring as reported in the newsletter was 
a) modified somewhat by his other experiences tasting the same wines
b) taking into consideration where the wine will go

Like it or not (b) is the probably the most important &quot;skill&quot; of the professional taster, at least in my book.  Guessing a wine blind is a fine parlor trick, but having the experience to know, at least to some reasonable degree of professional certainty, how the wine will age, is the real skill set.  No one is perfect at it of course, but vintners and blenders and others in the industry have practiced this for probably thousands of years now.  I have to believe that this would weigh into those scores.  He may well think that the Le Gay will show better for some time but that ultimately the others at apogee will be better.  (for what its worth I&#039;m not a TWA subscriber, just thought that there could be some quite logical reasons for these discrepancies)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To play devil&#8217;s advocate here I have to assume that his scoring as reported in the newsletter was<br />
a) modified somewhat by his other experiences tasting the same wines<br />
b) taking into consideration where the wine will go</p>
<p>Like it or not (b) is the probably the most important &#8220;skill&#8221; of the professional taster, at least in my book.  Guessing a wine blind is a fine parlor trick, but having the experience to know, at least to some reasonable degree of professional certainty, how the wine will age, is the real skill set.  No one is perfect at it of course, but vintners and blenders and others in the industry have practiced this for probably thousands of years now.  I have to believe that this would weigh into those scores.  He may well think that the Le Gay will show better for some time but that ultimately the others at apogee will be better.  (for what its worth I&#8217;m not a TWA subscriber, just thought that there could be some quite logical reasons for these discrepancies)</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 01:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m with Boyce, with some modest modifications.

Loved it
Liked it
Did not care for it
Hated it

with an extra category for: Loved it at that price point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Boyce, with some modest modifications.</p>
<p>Loved it<br />
Liked it<br />
Did not care for it<br />
Hated it</p>
<p>with an extra category for: Loved it at that price point.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s happened before, and it&#039;ll happen again. Power corrupts.

On the flipside, Biodynamic believers say there&#039;s a huge difference in sensory perception depending on the phase of the moon: the same wine can taste great on a &quot;fruit day&quot; and crap on a &quot;leaf day&quot; or &quot;root day&quot;. Some major UK wine buyers are even only conducting tastings on &quot;fruit days&quot;. 

Perhaps RP was tasting on a &quot;leaf day&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s happened before, and it&#8217;ll happen again. Power corrupts.</p>
<p>On the flipside, Biodynamic believers say there&#8217;s a huge difference in sensory perception depending on the phase of the moon: the same wine can taste great on a &#8220;fruit day&#8221; and crap on a &#8220;leaf day&#8221; or &#8220;root day&#8221;. Some major UK wine buyers are even only conducting tastings on &#8220;fruit days&#8221;. </p>
<p>Perhaps RP was tasting on a &#8220;leaf day&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, I think I missed the opportunity to be my usual cynical self and say the difference between a 90 pointer and a 100 pointer is 10 cases in Parker&#039;s cellar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I think I missed the opportunity to be my usual cynical self and say the difference between a 90 pointer and a 100 pointer is 10 cases in Parker&#8217;s cellar.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But doesn’t it undermine the pretense of (psuedo-)objectivity that scores represent?

I&#039;d disagree. If you&#039;re in a shitty mood or having a horrible day, then you&#039;re not going to take the same pleasure in a wine as if you&#039;re happy as all and surrounded by your favorite people, etc..

We seem intent on making it into something else, but wine is still something that is incredibly personal. How could something as important as you and your situations not effect the pleasure you take. If anything, your point should be reversed. If your mood or your life can alter how you see the wine, how could you possibly justify ascribing numerical ratings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But doesn’t it undermine the pretense of (psuedo-)objectivity that scores represent?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d disagree. If you&#8217;re in a shitty mood or having a horrible day, then you&#8217;re not going to take the same pleasure in a wine as if you&#8217;re happy as all and surrounded by your favorite people, etc..</p>
<p>We seem intent on making it into something else, but wine is still something that is incredibly personal. How could something as important as you and your situations not effect the pleasure you take. If anything, your point should be reversed. If your mood or your life can alter how you see the wine, how could you possibly justify ascribing numerical ratings.</p>
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		<title>By: Tobias</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tobias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well done. I hope you keep chipping away at this numeric folly. How can something so silly have caught on so widely? It would only make some sick sense if Parker were an automaton.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done. I hope you keep chipping away at this numeric folly. How can something so silly have caught on so widely? It would only make some sick sense if Parker were an automaton.</p>
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		<title>By: jim boyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim boyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ therydeinside,

Re having four categories for wine. Along those lines, we did a blind tasting earlier this year with Chinese wine consumers and wine professionals and for each wine they had to pick one of the following four categories:

I loved it
I liked it
I disliked it
I hated it

We wanted to elicit preferences and see which wines they would actually buy - all the wines cost less than USD15, so we decided against a category such as &quot;i found it ok&quot;, in order to keep people from simply sticking most of the wines there.

We found it good fun and that it created a lot of discussion when we later revealed the wines.

Details on the event, which we aim to do again, next time with a larger number of consumers, are at the top right on grapewallofchina.com...

cheers, boyce]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ therydeinside,</p>
<p>Re having four categories for wine. Along those lines, we did a blind tasting earlier this year with Chinese wine consumers and wine professionals and for each wine they had to pick one of the following four categories:</p>
<p>I loved it<br />
I liked it<br />
I disliked it<br />
I hated it</p>
<p>We wanted to elicit preferences and see which wines they would actually buy &#8211; all the wines cost less than USD15, so we decided against a category such as &#8220;i found it ok&#8221;, in order to keep people from simply sticking most of the wines there.</p>
<p>We found it good fun and that it created a lot of discussion when we later revealed the wines.</p>
<p>Details on the event, which we aim to do again, next time with a larger number of consumers, are at the top right on grapewallofchina.com&#8230;</p>
<p>cheers, boyce</p>
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		<title>By: Wilfred van Gorp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilfred van Gorp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For me, the problem is two versions of the same reality.  Version one on the day; version two in the newsletter.  But as a consumer, it raises a bigger question.  If these two versions of the same event are portrayed differently, what else is different from taste to write up?  I would hope nothing but this at least begs the question.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, the problem is two versions of the same reality.  Version one on the day; version two in the newsletter.  But as a consumer, it raises a bigger question.  If these two versions of the same event are portrayed differently, what else is different from taste to write up?  I would hope nothing but this at least begs the question.</p>
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