Comments on: Cahors: does the Malbec comparison help or hurt? http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/ wine talk that goes down easy Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:21:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: 1000 Grape Escapes · Grape 48: Petit Verdot http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-350316 1000 Grape Escapes · Grape 48: Petit Verdot Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:55:09 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-350316 [...] August 17, 2011 in red, red wine, usa, wine | No comments var addthis_product = 'wpp-256'; var addthis_config = {"data_track_clickback":true}; Minor Key of Grapes Minor grapes are usually minor for a reason. Too acidic, too tannic, too sexy for your glass. Once in a great while, minor grapes also produce minor miracles. Think Cahors – a grape headed for extinction in France that takes an ocean voyage in its junior year of college to “discover itself” and ends up in Argentina. Goodbye Cahors, hello Malbec! [...] [...] August 17, 2011 in red, red wine, usa, wine | No comments var addthis_product = 'wpp-256'; var addthis_config = {"data_track_clickback":true}; Minor Key of Grapes Minor grapes are usually minor for a reason. Too acidic, too tannic, too sexy for your glass. Once in a great while, minor grapes also produce minor miracles. Think Cahors – a grape headed for extinction in France that takes an ocean voyage in its junior year of college to “discover itself” and ends up in Argentina. Goodbye Cahors, hello Malbec! [...]

]]> By: Jarnaud http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-302437 Jarnaud Sun, 20 Jun 2010 12:14:35 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-302437 It was during the International Malbec Days 2010 in Cahors : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUE-XDmqNU8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuln_FXOiW8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BibhxP0_F98 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdUjNFQ5fEA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdDT5_OwQXU Enjoy ! Jérémy It was during the International Malbec Days 2010 in Cahors :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUE-XDmqNU8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuln_FXOiW8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BibhxP0_F98
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdUjNFQ5fEA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdDT5_OwQXU

Enjoy !

Jérémy

]]> By: Crushworthy Wines » Cahors: My first love http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-297041 Crushworthy Wines » Cahors: My first love Sat, 13 Mar 2010 05:29:22 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-297041 [...] seems annoyed that Argentina has managed to position itself as the king of Malbec, if its current marketing push (“Cahors Is Malbec!”) is any indication. It’s intriguing to me that a French AOC [...] [...] seems annoyed that Argentina has managed to position itself as the king of Malbec, if its current marketing push (“Cahors Is Malbec!”) is any indication. It’s intriguing to me that a French AOC [...]

]]> By: Jay Selman http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-294126 Jay Selman Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:58:36 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-294126 We will be in France in late January to do a video about the wines and food of Cahors. Any advice on what we should film to give the viewer a sense of the region would be greatly appreciated. Jay We will be in France in late January to do a video about the wines and food of Cahors. Any advice on what we should film to give the viewer a sense of the region would be greatly appreciated.

Jay

]]> By: David lassie http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-292632 David lassie Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:36:40 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-292632 Malbec is not good wine at all , no matter where it come from. I am French but thing this is the worst of all black Malbec is not good wine at all , no matter where it come from. I am French but thing this is the worst of all black

]]> By: Christian Vinel Cahors Croix du Mayne http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-280895 Christian Vinel Cahors Croix du Mayne Tue, 06 Oct 2009 18:39:36 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-280895 Hey Bob and Gary, Thanks for supporting our efforts and having some Cahors in your cellar! Generally speaking, I open my Cahors bottles mid afternoon to serve around 11PM (us guys can stay for hours at a table to eat and drink as you know!) as most of them really need to breathe...especially middle to high end Cuvees such as Treguedina. However, I think that's kind of a general rule for a "complexe" wine. Thanks again and keep the spirit! Hey Bob and Gary,

Thanks for supporting our efforts and having some Cahors in your cellar!

Generally speaking, I open my Cahors bottles mid afternoon to serve around 11PM (us guys can stay for hours at a table to eat and drink as you know!) as most of them really need to breathe…especially middle to high end Cuvees such as Treguedina.

However, I think that’s kind of a general rule for a “complexe” wine.

Thanks again and keep the spirit!

]]> By: Bob http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-280859 Bob Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:45:59 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-280859 Gary, thanks for the advice. I have a few bottles of 2005 Clos Triguedina, and suspected I should either wait several more years or aerate for an extended time. Now that's confirmed by someone who's had it recently. Gary, thanks for the advice. I have a few bottles of 2005 Clos Triguedina, and suspected I should either wait several more years or aerate for an extended time. Now that’s confirmed by someone who’s had it recently.

]]> By: Gary http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-280852 Gary Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:55:46 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-280852 Just had a 375 ml bottle of Clos Triguedina 2005. Beautiful after decanting/aerating. I wouldn't open a full bottle unless you had 6-8 hours of decanting. Could never confuse this with Argentina. This wine will age like a fine bordeaux. Just had a 375 ml bottle of Clos Triguedina 2005. Beautiful after decanting/aerating. I wouldn’t open a full bottle unless you had 6-8 hours of decanting.

Could never confuse this with Argentina. This wine will age like a fine bordeaux.

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-280010 Jeremy Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:00:20 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-280010 "Cahors is back, Cahors esta de regreso !" by Gabriela Malizia gmalizia@areadelvino.com "Hasta Jay Miller -degustador para América Latina de Robert Parker- dio letra para echar leña al fuego: probó los "cot" de Cahors y su conclusión fue que "Cahors está de regreso" (haciendo alusión a la campaña ´Cahors is back, Cahors is Malbec!`). "Mientras que algunos Malbec (sic) de Cahors pueden ser ciertamente intensos, poderosos y sí, bastante negros, los mejores tienen una elegancia y complejidad que no he encontrado en los Malbec de Argentina", agregó" “Cahors is back, Cahors esta de regreso !”

by Gabriela Malizia
gmalizia@areadelvino.com

“Hasta Jay Miller -degustador para América Latina de Robert Parker- dio letra para echar
leña al fuego: probó los “cot” de Cahors y su conclusión fue que “Cahors está de
regreso” (haciendo alusión a la campaña ´Cahors is back, Cahors is Malbec!`). “Mientras
que algunos Malbec (sic) de Cahors pueden ser ciertamente intensos, poderosos y sí,
bastante negros, los mejores tienen una elegancia y complejidad que no he encontrado
en los Malbec de Argentina”, agregó”

]]> By: Robert Lescombes http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-279828 Robert Lescombes Thu, 01 Oct 2009 23:47:49 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-279828 I am also a Cahors producer, nice to see topics about Cahors wines. We are not trying to copy argentinean wines when we say "Cahors is back, cahors is black, Cahors is Malbec", it's just an easy way to let consumers know that we exist for a long time and what they will find inside the bottle: A dark Malbec wine (It's like some California Chardonnay when they write "Chablis" on the label). Malbec sounds to american people but three times "Cahors" it's clear : Our brand and style is "Cahors". Guess what, 3 years ago I didn't know I was making malbec wines, I was making Auxerrois wines ! but I've always made Cahors wines. I am also a Cahors producer, nice to see topics about Cahors wines.
We are not trying to copy argentinean wines when we say “Cahors is back, cahors is black, Cahors is Malbec”, it’s just an easy way to let consumers know that we exist for a long time and what they will find inside the bottle: A dark Malbec wine (It’s like some California Chardonnay when they write “Chablis” on the label). Malbec sounds to american people but three times “Cahors” it’s clear : Our brand and style is “Cahors”. Guess what, 3 years ago I didn’t know I was making malbec wines, I was making Auxerrois wines ! but I’ve always made Cahors wines.

]]> By: Christian Vinel Cahors Croix du Mayne http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-279298 Christian Vinel Cahors Croix du Mayne Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:42:49 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-279298 Felow wine drinkers, I left Montreal with my folks in 1982 to take over the family vineyard, located in the heart of the Cahors area: Quite a change!! We are now partner with François Pélissié since 2001 and my best grapes go in the Cahors Croix du Mayne blend since. At the time, Wine Spectator magazine was publishing no more than 4 or 5 different Cahors wine ratings(we started with a Smart Buy, 01 Vintage), explained by the fact they only publish ratings of wines imported in the US: only fair, why tell poeple about wines they can't buy!!?? In Quebec, Cahors is N°4 ranked amongst the red wines and has been imported there since decades. Nobody talked about Malbec in the early 70's, Cahors was just unique and stood up by itself against the rest of the (at the time)old world ;-) And then BAAM! "New World" comes up with a very simple communication program compared to our legal tangle: One grape, Malbec, one country behind the all wine industry, Argentina. Apart from the effeciency of the system, turns out Malbec perfectly fits the taste of the country that now is(or soon will be) N°1 wine consumer in the World!! Should we surf this wave: of course! We are too small for massive marketing anyway and our country has such a huge wine industry it can't help marketing every single area! Last year, 4 Cahors wines made it in the Wine Enthusiast Top 100 and one in the Wine Spectator(our 05, TOP 53), did they compare the wines to the Malbec from Argentina? 3 times NO!! Get my drift? ;-) As per the Coutale modern style(I heard a lot of this about the Croix du Mayne): we are struggling to get our wines imported and I don't think it's a matter of traditional or modern Cahors...Once we convince the US distribution we are worth the try, let the poeple taste and make their own choice: I have to confess I am no fan of purple lips and teeth at the end of a meal!! ;-) Cahors is back, Cahors is Malbec: Spread the word my felow wine lovers! Felow wine drinkers,

I left Montreal with my folks in 1982 to take over the family vineyard, located in the heart of the Cahors area: Quite a change!! We are now partner with François Pélissié since 2001 and my best grapes go in the Cahors Croix du Mayne blend since. At the time, Wine Spectator magazine was publishing no more than 4 or 5 different Cahors wine ratings(we started with a Smart Buy, 01 Vintage), explained by the fact they only publish ratings of wines imported in the US: only fair, why tell poeple about wines they can’t buy!!??

In Quebec, Cahors is N°4 ranked amongst the red wines and has been imported there since decades. Nobody talked about Malbec in the early 70′s, Cahors was just unique and stood up by itself against the rest of the (at the time)old world ;-)

And then BAAM! “New World” comes up with a very simple communication program compared to our legal tangle: One grape, Malbec, one country behind the all wine industry, Argentina. Apart from the effeciency of the system, turns out Malbec perfectly fits the taste of the country that now is(or soon will be) N°1 wine consumer in the World!!

Should we surf this wave: of course! We are too small for massive marketing anyway and our country has such a huge wine industry it can’t help marketing every single area!

Last year, 4 Cahors wines made it in the Wine Enthusiast Top 100 and one in the Wine Spectator(our 05, TOP 53), did they compare the wines to the Malbec from Argentina? 3 times NO!! Get my drift? ;-)

As per the Coutale modern style(I heard a lot of this about the Croix du Mayne): we are struggling to get our wines imported and I don’t think it’s a matter of traditional or modern Cahors…Once we convince the US distribution we are worth the try, let the poeple taste and make their own choice: I have to confess I am no fan of purple lips and teeth at the end of a meal!! ;-)

Cahors is back, Cahors is Malbec: Spread the word my felow wine lovers!

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-279201 Jeremy Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:35:41 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-279201 Hi, Interesting opinion : "I had the opportunity to taste Cahors Malbec at a recent trade tasting in Chicago, as part of the 2009 US Cahors Malbec Tour, as well as in the Cahors region itself 2 weeks ago. My conclusion? Cahors is definitely back. While some Cahors Malbec can certainly be intense, powerful and, yes, quite nearly black in color, I found the best had an elegance and complexity I’ve not found in Argentinean Malbec. My favorite Cahors wines were deep ruby in color with a floral perfume and flavors of violets, dark red fruits, black liquorice and just a hint of eucalyptus. Their abundant but balanced acidity and tannins make them great ‘food wines’, pairing well with dishes like roasted lamb. Aging of at least 3-5 years will be rewarded. As good as they are, most of these wines are unfortunately not being imported into the United States. Go into any random wine shop and you’ll find 2, maybe 3 Cahors wines. However, one of the objectives of Cahors’ marketing strategy is to increase exports to the USA. Some domaines to watch for include Chateau Famaey, Chateau de Hauterive and Domaine du Prince. They, and others, are producing excellent examples of the new Cahors" (www.examiner.com/x-5811-Michigan-Wine-Examiner~y2009m9d24-A-fresh-look-at-Cahors-Malbec) Cahors is back, but it will be the new black !? "Peut-être bien" ... Hi,

Interesting opinion :

“I had the opportunity to taste Cahors Malbec at a recent trade tasting in Chicago, as part of the 2009 US Cahors Malbec Tour, as well as in the Cahors region itself 2 weeks ago. My conclusion? Cahors is definitely back. While some Cahors Malbec can certainly be intense, powerful and, yes, quite nearly black in color, I found the best had an elegance and complexity I’ve not found in Argentinean Malbec. My favorite Cahors wines were deep ruby in color with a floral perfume and flavors of violets, dark red fruits, black liquorice and just a hint of eucalyptus. Their abundant but balanced acidity and tannins make them great ‘food wines’, pairing well with dishes like roasted lamb. Aging of at least 3-5 years will be rewarded.
As good as they are, most of these wines are unfortunately not being imported into the United States. Go into any random wine shop and you’ll find 2, maybe 3 Cahors wines. However, one of the objectives of Cahors’ marketing strategy is to increase exports to the USA. Some domaines to watch for include Chateau Famaey, Chateau de Hauterive and Domaine du Prince. They, and others, are producing excellent examples of the new Cahors” (www.examiner.com/x-5811-Michigan-Wine-Examiner~y2009m9d24-A-fresh-look-at-Cahors-Malbec)

Cahors is back, but it will be the new black !? “Peut-être bien” …

]]> By: Richard Smith http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-279075 Richard Smith Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:06:05 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-279075 Just got back from vacation and am stunned to see so many Cahors fans. I always thought I was the only one. It's like one of those apocalyptic movies where the hero (that would be me) finally discovers they are not the only one left. I agree with most of you; the best Cahors wines are generally the old fashioned, big, rustic, fruity, spicey, gorgeous ones. Argentine Malbec is generally nothing like this but hey, any press is good press I guess. Just got back from vacation and am stunned to see so many Cahors fans. I always thought I was the only one. It’s like one of those apocalyptic movies where the hero (that would be me) finally discovers they are not the only one left.

I agree with most of you; the best Cahors wines are generally the old fashioned, big, rustic, fruity, spicey, gorgeous ones. Argentine Malbec is generally nothing like this but hey, any press is good press I guess.

]]> By: Phil Lejeune - Chateau Chambert (Cahors) http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-279062 Phil Lejeune - Chateau Chambert (Cahors) Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:07:09 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-279062 Just my 5 cent opinion: I doubt anyone of us would enjoy what was considered good few centuries ago (again this is just my opinion!). See what our grand-parents enjoyed for meal; and what we favor today: definitely a different taste in just 50 years. The taste evolves as our living condition does; so 850 years ago, probably anything fermented and a bit sweet (adding honey) looked great...and safer than spoiled water...but back to Malbec: what matters is how good we all are expressing our local gems (malbec grape + terroir). And maybe what we consider our best Malbec wines today; would have made Columbus or Henri I kill us for not respecting the wine! Making tannins silky could have been to them the biggest offence...who know?! Now I have to go, I'm preparing my Malbec harvest (D-5)! Phil. Just my 5 cent opinion: I doubt anyone of us would enjoy what was considered good few centuries ago (again this is just my opinion!). See what our grand-parents enjoyed for meal; and what we favor today: definitely a different taste in just 50 years. The taste evolves as our living condition does; so 850 years ago, probably anything fermented and a bit sweet (adding honey) looked great…and safer than spoiled water…but back to Malbec: what matters is how good we all are expressing our local gems (malbec grape + terroir). And maybe what we consider our best Malbec wines today; would have made Columbus or Henri I kill us for not respecting the wine! Making tannins silky could have been to them the biggest offence…who know?!

Now I have to go, I’m preparing my Malbec harvest (D-5)!
Phil.

]]> By: bobzaguy http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/24/cahors-malbec-wine-argentina-comparison/#comment-279047 bobzaguy Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:42:03 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4857#comment-279047 Wow! Pre-Columbian Malbec! What a rush that is! Wow! Pre-Columbian Malbec! What a rush that is!

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