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		<title>By: Andrea</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/14/study-wine-points-influence-consumer-perceptions/#comment-276307</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately this is not something we did not know already.. Read http://www.italyabroad.com/italian-wine-blog/67-do-points-influence-consumer-perception-yes-they-do for more]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately this is not something we did not know already.. Read <a href="http://www.italyabroad.com/italian-wine-blog/67-do-points-influence-consumer-perception-yes-they-do" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://www.italyabroad.com/italian-wine-blog/67-do-points-influence-consumer-perception-yes-they-do</a> for more</p>
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		<title>By: Vlad</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/14/study-wine-points-influence-consumer-perceptions/#comment-276154</link>
		<dc:creator>Vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 19:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to see a good demonstration of this kind of propensity for bias, check out pardonthatvine.com. Chris Riccobono does a video blind taste test of three wines...some rated high, some rated low. You&#039;ll be surprised.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to see a good demonstration of this kind of propensity for bias, check out pardonthatvine.com. Chris Riccobono does a video blind taste test of three wines&#8230;some rated high, some rated low. You&#8217;ll be surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: epicuria</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/14/study-wine-points-influence-consumer-perceptions/#comment-275846</link>
		<dc:creator>epicuria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 04:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, there is always influence.  This is why the evaluations are read.  But who wields that influence?

Power to the people... who have to pay for their wine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there is always influence.  This is why the evaluations are read.  But who wields that influence?</p>
<p>Power to the people&#8230; who have to pay for their wine.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wine Mule</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/14/study-wine-points-influence-consumer-perceptions/#comment-275809</link>
		<dc:creator>The Wine Mule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Wine Mule — But Jamie still uses points in his own reviews!&quot;

Jamie is no fool. But just because something makes good business sense doesn&#039;t make it right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wine Mule — But Jamie still uses points in his own reviews!&#8221;</p>
<p>Jamie is no fool. But just because something makes good business sense doesn&#8217;t make it right.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Olken</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/14/study-wine-points-influence-consumer-perceptions/#comment-275797</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Olken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you gave the same set of subjects a precis of reviews, some of which read like the wine is nectar of the gods and some of which read like the wine is neglected garbage, they will be similarly influenced by what they read. It matters not whether there are points or words to influence them, they will be influenced by sources they trust.

Tom Merle likes Cellar Tracker and Trip Advisor. I like other sources that I think are more expert. In older studies, this effect was called The Demonstration Effect. Call it what you like, use whatever source of supposedly good judgment you like and you will see influence.

In point of fact (pun intended), the reason why thousands and thousands of folks listen to critics, in wine and elsewhere, is that they are looking for guidance and tend to believe it when they see it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you gave the same set of subjects a precis of reviews, some of which read like the wine is nectar of the gods and some of which read like the wine is neglected garbage, they will be similarly influenced by what they read. It matters not whether there are points or words to influence them, they will be influenced by sources they trust.</p>
<p>Tom Merle likes Cellar Tracker and Trip Advisor. I like other sources that I think are more expert. In older studies, this effect was called The Demonstration Effect. Call it what you like, use whatever source of supposedly good judgment you like and you will see influence.</p>
<p>In point of fact (pun intended), the reason why thousands and thousands of folks listen to critics, in wine and elsewhere, is that they are looking for guidance and tend to believe it when they see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Felipe Méndez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Felipe Méndez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure wether this study proofs that the scores influences consumers&#039; perceptions, but only their &quot;scoring&quot; capabilities. It´s not the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure wether this study proofs that the scores influences consumers&#8217; perceptions, but only their &#8220;scoring&#8221; capabilities. It´s not the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/14/study-wine-points-influence-consumer-perceptions/#comment-275740</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think the point of the study is that points are worthless as a guide of quality, and I say this as someone not at all a fan of the current system, but rather that many people are inclined to want to look like they agree with the expert.  That doesn&#039;t mean that the expert is wrong, just that no one wants to disagree with him/her.  This is probably true in many things other than wine, who wants to say that they think the expert is wrong if they themselves are not an expert?

If the expert is right, great, but unfortunately, wine is a subject where it&#039;s pretty hard to be &quot;right&quot;.  But this shows why the current system, despite this flaw, isn&#039;t going anywhere.  It sells, period.  Retailers, the big drivers of the current system as the primary purchase point for customers, aren&#039;t going to abandon something that works this well.  And so wineries will have to continue to have a strategy for the ratings game and importers and distributors will have to continue to make sure they can move their stock to the retailers who want stuff they can sell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the point of the study is that points are worthless as a guide of quality, and I say this as someone not at all a fan of the current system, but rather that many people are inclined to want to look like they agree with the expert.  That doesn&#8217;t mean that the expert is wrong, just that no one wants to disagree with him/her.  This is probably true in many things other than wine, who wants to say that they think the expert is wrong if they themselves are not an expert?</p>
<p>If the expert is right, great, but unfortunately, wine is a subject where it&#8217;s pretty hard to be &#8220;right&#8221;.  But this shows why the current system, despite this flaw, isn&#8217;t going anywhere.  It sells, period.  Retailers, the big drivers of the current system as the primary purchase point for customers, aren&#8217;t going to abandon something that works this well.  And so wineries will have to continue to have a strategy for the ratings game and importers and distributors will have to continue to make sure they can move their stock to the retailers who want stuff they can sell.</p>
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		<title>By: larry schaffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry schaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Vino,

Yes, what is on the label are &#039;facts&#039; . . . and I say this because they are &#039;facts&#039; that oftentimes do not get checked. Alcohol levels? They are &#039;somewhat&#039; accurate but not always so . . . Varieties? Remember - you have a 25% &#039;fudge factor&#039; to add any other variety in with your &#039;labeled&#039; variety and still call it what you want - and you do NOT have to let the consumer know that you added ANYTHING else.

My main point, though, had more to deal with perceptions. Many see an alcohol level on a bottle and pre-judge that wine . . . Period. Or they see a variety from a specific place and sometimes say &#039;it can&#039;t be good because it&#039;s ____ from _____, and I know that better ____ are made in ______.

There is so much subjectivity that takes place at ALL facets of the wine industry . . . Period.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that one should not blindly follow a reviewer and his/her points . . . but that&#039;s the world in which we live . . . How many &#039;New York Times Best Sellers&#039;, for instance, are on YOUR purchase list?!?!?

Interesting read as usual, and looking forward to hearing from others!

Cheers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Vino,</p>
<p>Yes, what is on the label are &#8216;facts&#8217; . . . and I say this because they are &#8216;facts&#8217; that oftentimes do not get checked. Alcohol levels? They are &#8216;somewhat&#8217; accurate but not always so . . . Varieties? Remember &#8211; you have a 25% &#8216;fudge factor&#8217; to add any other variety in with your &#8216;labeled&#8217; variety and still call it what you want &#8211; and you do NOT have to let the consumer know that you added ANYTHING else.</p>
<p>My main point, though, had more to deal with perceptions. Many see an alcohol level on a bottle and pre-judge that wine . . . Period. Or they see a variety from a specific place and sometimes say &#8216;it can&#8217;t be good because it&#8217;s ____ from _____, and I know that better ____ are made in ______.</p>
<p>There is so much subjectivity that takes place at ALL facets of the wine industry . . . Period.</p>
<p>I agree with you wholeheartedly that one should not blindly follow a reviewer and his/her points . . . but that&#8217;s the world in which we live . . . How many &#8216;New York Times Best Sellers&#8217;, for instance, are on YOUR purchase list?!?!?</p>
<p>Interesting read as usual, and looking forward to hearing from others!</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: epicuria</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/14/study-wine-points-influence-consumer-perceptions/#comment-275728</link>
		<dc:creator>epicuria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To read some of the comments above, you&#039;d think the appreciation of vino is wildly relative, when we know that cream rises to the top and there can be broad consensus on the assessment of a wine&#039;s appeal. Yes, there is the Hodgson study discussed on Vinography and 1 Wine Dude, so we aren&#039;t dealing with a commodity that consistently generates agreement. Which makes the evaluation of our favorite beverage so intriguing.  Nonetheless, we can all name a dozen wines that can be ranked at the top of a list most years.

I start from the premise that certain wines will command higher scores among a cross section of tasters.  I like to cite CellarTracker as the superior mode of rating. It follows the Wisdom of Crowds methodology to arrive at a sweet spot for such wines.  Our wine society tastes blind, then we compile and average out the scores.  The august Vintners Club in SF uses only a simple ranking to list the first place through 12th.  This is the way to do, IMHO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To read some of the comments above, you&#8217;d think the appreciation of vino is wildly relative, when we know that cream rises to the top and there can be broad consensus on the assessment of a wine&#8217;s appeal. Yes, there is the Hodgson study discussed on Vinography and 1 Wine Dude, so we aren&#8217;t dealing with a commodity that consistently generates agreement. Which makes the evaluation of our favorite beverage so intriguing.  Nonetheless, we can all name a dozen wines that can be ranked at the top of a list most years.</p>
<p>I start from the premise that certain wines will command higher scores among a cross section of tasters.  I like to cite CellarTracker as the superior mode of rating. It follows the Wisdom of Crowds methodology to arrive at a sweet spot for such wines.  Our wine society tastes blind, then we compile and average out the scores.  The august Vintners Club in SF uses only a simple ranking to list the first place through 12th.  This is the way to do, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/14/study-wine-points-influence-consumer-perceptions/#comment-275725</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Larry - the things that you mention on the label are facts. Scores are not facts; they are opinions. Some consumers, such as the ones in this study, seem to accept scores as fact. That more consumers should see them as opinion seems the most fruitful discussion. And it seems that you agree with that. No?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry &#8211; the things that you mention on the label are facts. Scores are not facts; they are opinions. Some consumers, such as the ones in this study, seem to accept scores as fact. That more consumers should see them as opinion seems the most fruitful discussion. And it seems that you agree with that. No?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/09/14/study-wine-points-influence-consumer-perceptions/#comment-275721</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Larry ... can&#039;t rip away .. that&#039;s kinda what I was saying above - you just did a better job getting to the point! :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry &#8230; can&#8217;t rip away .. that&#8217;s kinda what I was saying above &#8211; you just did a better job getting to the point! <img src='http://www.drvino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: larry schaffer</title>
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		<dc:creator>larry schaffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going to be an outlier here and say that points are NOT worthless or irrelevant. 

Just because a study comes out and points out the obvious does not mean the system is &#039;broken&#039; folks . . .

If that is the case, no one should pay any attention to OTHER things put on labels or reviews - appellation, variety, alcohol levels, etc. ALL of these have an effect on how the wine we consume is perceived - whether you accept that or not.

What&#039;s important is to use the points as one person&#039;s view on a specific wine - caveat emptor. If you taste the wine and agree, then that&#039;s what matters to you . . . and only to you. If you disagree, then great - a conversation can then ensue where you can compare your notes with the reviewers and see why . . . Different tastes or different &#039;bottles&#039;?

I just am not a fan of &#039;knee jerk&#039; reactions and I think in this case, that is what is happening here . . .

Just my $.02 this morning . . . rip away!

Cheers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to be an outlier here and say that points are NOT worthless or irrelevant. </p>
<p>Just because a study comes out and points out the obvious does not mean the system is &#8216;broken&#8217; folks . . .</p>
<p>If that is the case, no one should pay any attention to OTHER things put on labels or reviews &#8211; appellation, variety, alcohol levels, etc. ALL of these have an effect on how the wine we consume is perceived &#8211; whether you accept that or not.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s important is to use the points as one person&#8217;s view on a specific wine &#8211; caveat emptor. If you taste the wine and agree, then that&#8217;s what matters to you . . . and only to you. If you disagree, then great &#8211; a conversation can then ensue where you can compare your notes with the reviewers and see why . . . Different tastes or different &#8216;bottles&#8217;?</p>
<p>I just am not a fan of &#8216;knee jerk&#8217; reactions and I think in this case, that is what is happening here . . .</p>
<p>Just my $.02 this morning . . . rip away!</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Quanto siamo polli del vino? : Vino24</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quanto siamo polli del vino? : Vino24</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a uno studio pubblicato sulla rivista Appetite, che scopro leggendo Dr. Vino, la verità è questa. Lo studio ha dato a 163 volontari un bicchiere di Clos de los Siete 2006, un [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a uno studio pubblicato sulla rivista Appetite, che scopro leggendo Dr. Vino, la verità è questa. Lo studio ha dato a 163 volontari un bicchiere di Clos de los Siete 2006, un [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is one of the most interesting aspects of wine (thanks Dr. Vino!) - some people are swayed by points and others are not - some people like New World style while ours abhor it - everyone&#039;s ability and sensibility to wine is slightly different -a wine tasted on one occasion may not taste as good or as bad tasted at a different time. Bottomline - I don&#039;t think that you can really rate a wine accurately for everyone based on taste (although I do believe that you can accurately rate flaws in a wine universally). Really .. .how do you discern whether a wine is 89 or 90, or 91 versus 92? 

All of the above said, I do find having some review of a wine beneficial when the producer and the bottling is unknown AND the reviewer is familiar (i.e., I am familiar with his/her reviews and have tasted many of those wines) - I know then at least a bit more on whether I may like it or not. But at the end of the day, the jury is still out until I actually taste the wine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the most interesting aspects of wine (thanks Dr. Vino!) &#8211; some people are swayed by points and others are not &#8211; some people like New World style while ours abhor it &#8211; everyone&#8217;s ability and sensibility to wine is slightly different -a wine tasted on one occasion may not taste as good or as bad tasted at a different time. Bottomline &#8211; I don&#8217;t think that you can really rate a wine accurately for everyone based on taste (although I do believe that you can accurately rate flaws in a wine universally). Really .. .how do you discern whether a wine is 89 or 90, or 91 versus 92? </p>
<p>All of the above said, I do find having some review of a wine beneficial when the producer and the bottling is unknown AND the reviewer is familiar (i.e., I am familiar with his/her reviews and have tasted many of those wines) &#8211; I know then at least a bit more on whether I may like it or not. But at the end of the day, the jury is still out until I actually taste the wine.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Monnens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Monnens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder how many folks, hearing the wine received 72 points, rated it higher just to go against the score?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many folks, hearing the wine received 72 points, rated it higher just to go against the score?</p>
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