Comments on: Trust, plastic bottles, BYOB, Operation Mixed Wine – sipped and spit http://www.drvino.com/2009/08/11/trust-plastic-bottles-byob-operation-mixed-wine-sipped-and-spit/ wine talk that goes down easy Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:11:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Paul Starr http://www.drvino.com/2009/08/11/trust-plastic-bottles-byob-operation-mixed-wine-sipped-and-spit/#comment-266911 Paul Starr Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:36:56 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4574#comment-266911 Thanks, DrV. I hadn't seen the Chris Jordan art before, but really like it. Thanks, DrV. I hadn’t seen the Chris Jordan art before, but really like it.

]]> By: kevin http://www.drvino.com/2009/08/11/trust-plastic-bottles-byob-operation-mixed-wine-sipped-and-spit/#comment-266707 kevin Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:37:53 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4574#comment-266707 I learned about BYOB while visiting some friends in Chicago about 4 years ago. I thought I had died and gone to heaven. 4x mark-ups over retail are hard to swallow. Imagine this...an afternoon of shopping at Sam's Liquors (if you haven't been, check it out), Rose' on the rooftop deck, pinot noir with salmon, followed by bubbly with dessert. I reached nirvana... Now that I'm done salivating, I'll get back to BYOB...Love it, love it, love it! In short you get to save money and drink better wine. Who doesn't like that! Salute! -Kevin I learned about BYOB while visiting some friends in Chicago about 4 years ago. I thought I had died and gone to heaven. 4x mark-ups over retail are hard to swallow.

Imagine this…an afternoon of shopping at Sam’s Liquors (if you haven’t been, check it out), Rose’ on the rooftop deck, pinot noir with salmon, followed by bubbly with dessert. I reached nirvana…

Now that I’m done salivating, I’ll get back to BYOB…Love it, love it, love it! In short you get to save money and drink better wine. Who doesn’t like that!

Salute!
-Kevin

]]> By: Dr. Vino http://www.drvino.com/2009/08/11/trust-plastic-bottles-byob-operation-mixed-wine-sipped-and-spit/#comment-266704 Dr. Vino Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:25:40 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4574#comment-266704 Jack O'C - Let us know if you have any updates for the <a href="http://www.drvino.com/chicagobyob.php" rel="nofollow">Chicago BYOB map</a>! Many of the Chicago BYOBs are restaurants with a theme, e.g. Tango Sur for steaks or any number of Thai restaurants. So you can often have a pretty good idea going in, no? Jack O’C –

Let us know if you have any updates for the Chicago BYOB map!

Many of the Chicago BYOBs are restaurants with a theme, e.g. Tango Sur for steaks or any number of Thai restaurants. So you can often have a pretty good idea going in, no?

]]> By: Dr. Vino http://www.drvino.com/2009/08/11/trust-plastic-bottles-byob-operation-mixed-wine-sipped-and-spit/#comment-266703 Dr. Vino Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:23:06 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4574#comment-266703 Interesting, Paul: I stand corrected. Here's a <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7470662.stm" rel="nofollow">BBC News</a> story announcing the new facility last year. And I did find a <a href="http://www.urrc.net/new/pages/" rel="nofollow">domestic provider</a> of the service as well. Admittedly, this is but a tiny fraction of all PET bottles with the majority ending up in landfills. Have you seen the art of Chris Jordan, specifically "<a href="http://www.chrisjordan.com/current_set2.php" rel="nofollow">Running the Numbers</a>"? Impressive stuff. Interesting, Paul: I stand corrected.

Here’s a BBC News story announcing the new facility last year. And I did find a domestic provider of the service as well.

Admittedly, this is but a tiny fraction of all PET bottles with the majority ending up in landfills.

Have you seen the art of Chris Jordan, specifically “Running the Numbers“? Impressive stuff.

]]> By: Jack O'C http://www.drvino.com/2009/08/11/trust-plastic-bottles-byob-operation-mixed-wine-sipped-and-spit/#comment-266702 Jack O'C Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:20:01 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4574#comment-266702 With regard to BYOBs, I think they are great. I live in Chicago and there are a number of great restaurants in my area that are BYOB. I have to admit though, that I have issues with this concept: Yes, I'm arguably saving money, but if I want my wine to pair well with my meal I have to have a good idea of what I will order for dinner before I get to the restaurant! Maybe I'm just too uptight, but this always bothers me. With regard to BYOBs, I think they are great. I live in Chicago and there are a number of great restaurants in my area that are BYOB.
I have to admit though, that I have issues with this concept: Yes, I’m arguably saving money, but if I want my wine to pair well with my meal I have to have a good idea of what I will order for dinner before I get to the restaurant! Maybe I’m just too uptight, but this always bothers me.

]]> By: Paul Starr http://www.drvino.com/2009/08/11/trust-plastic-bottles-byob-operation-mixed-wine-sipped-and-spit/#comment-266665 Paul Starr Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:11:47 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4574#comment-266665 Or for a USA-specific closed loop food grade PET recycling process: http://www.powderandbulk.com/pb_services/news_center/publish/article_001943.shtml Or for a USA-specific closed loop food grade PET recycling process:
http://www.powderandbulk.com/pb_services/news_center/publish/article_001943.shtml

]]> By: Paul Starr http://www.drvino.com/2009/08/11/trust-plastic-bottles-byob-operation-mixed-wine-sipped-and-spit/#comment-266654 Paul Starr Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:26:04 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4574#comment-266654 Dr Vino, it is possible to recycle PET as food-grade to food-grade. This has been happening for some years here in Australia, more recently spreading to places such as the UK. For example: http://www.visyclosedloop.com/media.php?id=10 Please correct your article. Dr Vino, it is possible to recycle PET as food-grade to food-grade. This has been happening for some years here in Australia, more recently spreading to places such as the UK. For example:
http://www.visyclosedloop.com/media.php?id=10

Please correct your article.

]]> By: Laurie http://www.drvino.com/2009/08/11/trust-plastic-bottles-byob-operation-mixed-wine-sipped-and-spit/#comment-266536 Laurie Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:21:40 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4574#comment-266536 Frankly, Pennsylvania's wine laws are sad. Seemly unchanged since the days of William Penn, the tight fist of the Sate Liquor Control Board makes finding a decent bottle of wine in a State store virtually impossible. I would love to consider a move to PA, but with thoughts of opening a wine store... it is off the list. Frankly, Pennsylvania’s wine laws are sad. Seemly unchanged since the days of William Penn, the tight fist of the Sate Liquor Control Board makes finding a decent bottle of wine in a State store virtually impossible. I would love to consider a move to PA, but with thoughts of opening a wine store… it is off the list.

]]> By: Dr. Vino http://www.drvino.com/2009/08/11/trust-plastic-bottles-byob-operation-mixed-wine-sipped-and-spit/#comment-266367 Dr. Vino Wed, 12 Aug 2009 00:37:45 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4574#comment-266367 Hi Sasha, For a start, please check out this article from the New Yorker: "<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/04/06/090406fa_fact_colapinto" rel="nofollow">Message in a Bottle</a>" about the making of Plastiki, a raft made from plastic soda and water bottles. Also see how the FTC is cracking down on producers claims that products are <a href="http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/ftc-sends-stern-warning-on-biodegradable-marketing-claims/" rel="nofollow">biodegradable</a>. If others have more links, feel free to add them. Best, Hi Sasha,

For a start, please check out this article from the New Yorker: “Message in a Bottle” about the making of Plastiki, a raft made from plastic soda and water bottles.

Also see how the FTC is cracking down on producers claims that products are biodegradable.

If others have more links, feel free to add them.

Best,

]]> By: Sasha http://www.drvino.com/2009/08/11/trust-plastic-bottles-byob-operation-mixed-wine-sipped-and-spit/#comment-266295 Sasha Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:53:33 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4574#comment-266295 I am curious about your comment regarding plastic not being able to be effectively recycled into more bottles. From the brief amount that I have read on the subject, plastics #1(PET) and #2(PE) can be recycled, but take a large amount of energy to do so (due to not only the molecular structure of the plastics but also because of the importance of correctly sorting the bottles prior to re-mixing). But even though the process is a hassle, if sorted and processed correctly, it is my impression that recycled bottles CAN be made into new bottles. Could you please clarify, and if possible point me to some of your resources regarding this subject? Thanks Sasha I am curious about your comment regarding plastic not being able to be effectively recycled into more bottles. From the brief amount that I have read on the subject, plastics #1(PET) and #2(PE) can be recycled, but take a large amount of energy to do so (due to not only the molecular structure of the plastics but also because of the importance of correctly sorting the bottles prior to re-mixing). But even though the process is a hassle, if sorted and processed correctly, it is my impression that recycled bottles CAN be made into new bottles. Could you please clarify, and if possible point me to some of your resources regarding this subject?
Thanks
Sasha

]]> By: Dylan http://www.drvino.com/2009/08/11/trust-plastic-bottles-byob-operation-mixed-wine-sipped-and-spit/#comment-266259 Dylan Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:59:28 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=4574#comment-266259 That's highly unfortunate for the brand. It's equivalent to the poor planning between Oprah and KFC while they launched their Grilled Chicken a few months ago. Franchises were overwhelmed and forced to turn back thousands of customers buying into the excitement of the free offer. Be you a bottle of wine or a bucket of chicken, the lesson remains the same--when you set expectations, abide by them. That’s highly unfortunate for the brand. It’s equivalent to the poor planning between Oprah and KFC while they launched their Grilled Chicken a few months ago. Franchises were overwhelmed and forced to turn back thousands of customers buying into the excitement of the free offer. Be you a bottle of wine or a bucket of chicken, the lesson remains the same–when you set expectations, abide by them.

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