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	<title>Comments on: Sierra missed &#8211; the saga of Sierra Carche 2005</title>
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		<title>By: Daniel Posner</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/07/22/sierra-missed-the-saga-of-sierra-carche-2005/#comment-295670</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommy

Many stores still show this wine on Wine Searcher. 

I guess the importer forgot to contact some of them.

They should use Robert Parker&#039;s wife rating of 93 points on this one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy</p>
<p>Many stores still show this wine on Wine Searcher. </p>
<p>I guess the importer forgot to contact some of them.</p>
<p>They should use Robert Parker&#8217;s wife rating of 93 points on this one!</p>
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		<title>By: tommyr</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/07/22/sierra-missed-the-saga-of-sierra-carche-2005/#comment-295669</link>
		<dc:creator>tommyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zachy&#039;s is selling the wine as I write this, on February 8, 2010.  It showed up on the shelves in the last week.  Zachy&#039;s also has been selling the Pico Madama for months, with the 95 rating from Jay Miller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zachy&#8217;s is selling the wine as I write this, on February 8, 2010.  It showed up on the shelves in the last week.  Zachy&#8217;s also has been selling the Pico Madama for months, with the 95 rating from Jay Miller.</p>
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		<title>By: John Fields</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/07/22/sierra-missed-the-saga-of-sierra-carche-2005/#comment-292827</link>
		<dc:creator>John Fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brandon Warnke at Wine Library got involved and I received a full refund upon the return. I&#039;m glad to be doing business with them again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brandon Warnke at Wine Library got involved and I received a full refund upon the return. I&#8217;m glad to be doing business with them again.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike DePrado</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/07/22/sierra-missed-the-saga-of-sierra-carche-2005/#comment-292319</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike DePrado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Fields,

I called WIne Library today (11/12/09) and within two seconds they told me to return the wine for a full refund.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Fields,</p>
<p>I called WIne Library today (11/12/09) and within two seconds they told me to return the wine for a full refund.</p>
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		<title>By: John Fields</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/07/22/sierra-missed-the-saga-of-sierra-carche-2005/#comment-291136</link>
		<dc:creator>John Fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have sent 2 emails to help@winelibrary.com which is the adress they say to use on the website but I will send a copy to him.
Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have sent 2 emails to <a href="mailto:help@winelibrary.com" class="limailto">help@winelibrary.com</a> which is the adress they say to use on the website but I will send a copy to him.<br />
Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/07/22/sierra-missed-the-saga-of-sierra-carche-2005/#comment-291103</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Fields, 

Did you contact Brandon Warnke, Vice President of Operations at Wine Library, who posted on erobertparker.com that anyone who bought the wine through the store could return it to them for a full refund?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Fields, </p>
<p>Did you contact Brandon Warnke, Vice President of Operations at Wine Library, who posted on erobertparker.com that anyone who bought the wine through the store could return it to them for a full refund?</p>
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		<title>By: John Fields</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/07/22/sierra-missed-the-saga-of-sierra-carche-2005/#comment-291099</link>
		<dc:creator>John Fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wine Library is not refunding the Sierra Carche 2005. I have asked for their refund policy and they have not responded. They were very quick to hype this wine now I can&#039;t even get a response. beware</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wine Library is not refunding the Sierra Carche 2005. I have asked for their refund policy and they have not responded. They were very quick to hype this wine now I can&#8217;t even get a response. beware</p>
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		<title>By: joesommelier</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/07/22/sierra-missed-the-saga-of-sierra-carche-2005/#comment-279072</link>
		<dc:creator>joesommelier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel Posner

Touche - I did give it a score but only in the context of the original Jay Miller score of 96.

I read Part II - I wouldn&#039;t say the descriptors given match mine. I didn&#039;t taste burnt rubber or &quot;roadkill&quot; (not that I would know what that tastes like anyway). Perhaps my palette is not as evolved as those involved in your blind tasting. Cest la vie. There&#039;s too much history surrounding this wine, though, to ever recommend it to anyone so I guess belaboring the point is an excercise in futility. There way too much great wine out there to drink anyway.

Thanks for the spirited debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daniel Posner</p>
<p>Touche &#8211; I did give it a score but only in the context of the original Jay Miller score of 96.</p>
<p>I read Part II &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t say the descriptors given match mine. I didn&#8217;t taste burnt rubber or &#8220;roadkill&#8221; (not that I would know what that tastes like anyway). Perhaps my palette is not as evolved as those involved in your blind tasting. Cest la vie. There&#8217;s too much history surrounding this wine, though, to ever recommend it to anyone so I guess belaboring the point is an excercise in futility. There way too much great wine out there to drink anyway.</p>
<p>Thanks for the spirited debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Posner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just think that you are being over generous with your notes/score. But that is just my opinion, you are clearly entitled to yours. 

Dr Vino and I had 4 btls of this stuff, served blind. Interesting to read. It sounds like 3 of our btls match your descriptors.

And FYI, you gave it a point score, not me.

I do not score wines. 

Thank you for responding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just think that you are being over generous with your notes/score. But that is just my opinion, you are clearly entitled to yours. </p>
<p>Dr Vino and I had 4 btls of this stuff, served blind. Interesting to read. It sounds like 3 of our btls match your descriptors.</p>
<p>And FYI, you gave it a point score, not me.</p>
<p>I do not score wines. </p>
<p>Thank you for responding.</p>
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		<title>By: joesommelier</title>
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		<dc:creator>joesommelier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Daneil Posner

90, 88, 65, who cares? A rating is not going to change my opinion of the wine. I treat ratings as nothing more than a guideline as do my clients. I&#039;ll check out Dr. Vino&#039;s Part II but it still won&#039;t change the experience I had with this wine. Perhaps it just shows I have a shitty palette - oh well.

I don&#039;t mind the honesty at all. I&#039;m a big boy - I can handle it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Daneil Posner</p>
<p>90, 88, 65, who cares? A rating is not going to change my opinion of the wine. I treat ratings as nothing more than a guideline as do my clients. I&#8217;ll check out Dr. Vino&#8217;s Part II but it still won&#8217;t change the experience I had with this wine. Perhaps it just shows I have a shitty palette &#8211; oh well.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind the honesty at all. I&#8217;m a big boy &#8211; I can handle it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Posner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JoeS,

You are getting closer to reality...still a 90 pointer?

Sorry for being brutally honest. Have you checked out Dr. Vino&#039;s part II of this wine from September?

A good read...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JoeS,</p>
<p>You are getting closer to reality&#8230;still a 90 pointer?</p>
<p>Sorry for being brutally honest. Have you checked out Dr. Vino&#8217;s part II of this wine from September?</p>
<p>A good read&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: joesommelier</title>
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		<dc:creator>joesommelier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Daniel Posner

Well, I guess you showed me didn&#039;t you?

I came back to this wine after an hour of it being open and drank it with turkey tacos. The off-putting smell had dissipated and was replaced by mild accents of blueberries. The taste profile changed a little from when I first opened it in that the wine became more one dimensional, but I still think overall the wine was sound. 

Was it a great wine worthy of 96 points? No way. Was it a drinkable wine with some enjoyment? It was, actually. Upon further reflection I don&#039;t know that I would pay more than $12 - $15 for this wine. Then again, I rarely buy wine at that price point unless its for guests that no zero about wine.

BTW: eat a man steak next time - Filet Mignon is for girls. There; now I showed you and we are even and I feel better about myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Daniel Posner</p>
<p>Well, I guess you showed me didn&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>I came back to this wine after an hour of it being open and drank it with turkey tacos. The off-putting smell had dissipated and was replaced by mild accents of blueberries. The taste profile changed a little from when I first opened it in that the wine became more one dimensional, but I still think overall the wine was sound. </p>
<p>Was it a great wine worthy of 96 points? No way. Was it a drinkable wine with some enjoyment? It was, actually. Upon further reflection I don&#8217;t know that I would pay more than $12 &#8211; $15 for this wine. Then again, I rarely buy wine at that price point unless its for guests that no zero about wine.</p>
<p>BTW: eat a man steak next time &#8211; Filet Mignon is for girls. There; now I showed you and we are even and I feel better about myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Posner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@JoeSommelier,

Based on your note, it sounds like you had the same awful stuff we did. The fact that you would consider that junk a 90 point, $20 wine, is mindblowing to me.

I would love for you to put it in a lineup of 10 90 point (NOT JAY MILLER) wines that cost $20ish. 

I am sure you would regret your purchase.

Sorry to be so blunt.

FYI, we drank our Sierra Carche with great Filet Mignon and it still sucked, with or without food.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JoeSommelier,</p>
<p>Based on your note, it sounds like you had the same awful stuff we did. The fact that you would consider that junk a 90 point, $20 wine, is mindblowing to me.</p>
<p>I would love for you to put it in a lineup of 10 90 point (NOT JAY MILLER) wines that cost $20ish. </p>
<p>I am sure you would regret your purchase.</p>
<p>Sorry to be so blunt.</p>
<p>FYI, we drank our Sierra Carche with great Filet Mignon and it still sucked, with or without food.</p>
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		<title>By: joesommelier</title>
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		<dc:creator>joesommelier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m drinking this wine right now. It&#039;s bottle #04640 of 20,000 purchased from Wine Library in May of 2008 for $29.99. I will admit, the smell is very off-putting - a very strong scent of what I can only describe as sweaty, taco spices. (Strange, I know.) There is zero fruit on the nose - the spice and alcohol on the nose overpower everything. On the tongue, though, it&#039;s actually not bad. Because of the smell I immediately expect to taste a ton of black pepper and soil, but there&#039;s actually a lot of blueberry, sage, a little bit of earth and then the pepper and spices show up on the finish. It is a very odd wine, and it certainly is not a cocktail wine nor a wine you can spring on someone who knows nothing about wine. I bet it would drink pretty well, though, with a spice-rubbed steak or even some pulled pork.

I&#039;ve had a bottle previous to this and based on both experiences I would buy this wine again, albeit I think it tastes more like a $18.99 wine and a 88-90 pointer than a $29.99, 96 pointer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m drinking this wine right now. It&#8217;s bottle #04640 of 20,000 purchased from Wine Library in May of 2008 for $29.99. I will admit, the smell is very off-putting &#8211; a very strong scent of what I can only describe as sweaty, taco spices. (Strange, I know.) There is zero fruit on the nose &#8211; the spice and alcohol on the nose overpower everything. On the tongue, though, it&#8217;s actually not bad. Because of the smell I immediately expect to taste a ton of black pepper and soil, but there&#8217;s actually a lot of blueberry, sage, a little bit of earth and then the pepper and spices show up on the finish. It is a very odd wine, and it certainly is not a cocktail wine nor a wine you can spring on someone who knows nothing about wine. I bet it would drink pretty well, though, with a spice-rubbed steak or even some pulled pork.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had a bottle previous to this and based on both experiences I would buy this wine again, albeit I think it tastes more like a $18.99 wine and a 88-90 pointer than a $29.99, 96 pointer.</p>
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		<title>By: Study: points influence consumer perceptions! &#124; Dr Vino's wine blog</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/07/22/sierra-missed-the-saga-of-sierra-carche-2005/#comment-275477</link>
		<dc:creator>Study: points influence consumer perceptions! &#124; Dr Vino's wine blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] if the study is somewhat backward looking as consumers are getting more independent. Consider the Sierra Carche incident; if Robert Kenney would have just accepted that it was a 96, he would have drunk it and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] if the study is somewhat backward looking as consumers are getting more independent. Consider the Sierra Carche incident; if Robert Kenney would have just accepted that it was a 96, he would have drunk it and [...]</p>
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