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	<title>Comments on: Wine prices &#8211; beating the spread online and in-store</title>
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		<title>By: In-store wine customers: you are chumps &#124; Dr Vino&#039;s wine blog</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/06/29/wine-prices-online-stores-best-price/#comment-315037</link>
		<dc:creator>In-store wine customers: you are chumps &#124; Dr Vino&#039;s wine blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2010 12:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] have discussed this issue before. New York&#8217;s State Liquor Authority does not regulate the prices that retailers charge. And [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have discussed this issue before. New York&#8217;s State Liquor Authority does not regulate the prices that retailers charge. And [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Baryames, Owner PJ's Wine &#38; Spirits Longmont Colorado</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/06/29/wine-prices-online-stores-best-price/#comment-257980</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Baryames, Owner PJ's Wine &#38; Spirits Longmont Colorado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have seen this practice used and frankly have issues in both directions. The internet buyer that we see is generally a wine poacher or only interested in the wines that are highly rated but are not found at their local shop. So they want a fantastic deal and are not happy when it&#039;s basically at full retail. 
I do not agree with an internet price and a in-store price that is different. We may from time to time put a coupon in that requires you the shopper to bring it in to get the price. Having the customer come into the shop is what I want as the owner because they may see another bottle that they would like and buy it . Or, they may actually realize how nice a store we have and we may develop a new customer. 

We may negotiate a price  with a customer who is in the store and wants the wine but would like a little deal on it. If you are a customer and support us we support you in these tough economic times. The internet shopper is a secondary customer to us. We sell to them but they want Sine Qua Non, or Peter Michael at a discount. We want those wines to be sold to our customers who come back day in and day out and enjoy our love, knowledge and interest in wines that they are buying.

That is how we look at it.
Paul Baryames
Owner PJ&#039;s Wine &amp; Spirits]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen this practice used and frankly have issues in both directions. The internet buyer that we see is generally a wine poacher or only interested in the wines that are highly rated but are not found at their local shop. So they want a fantastic deal and are not happy when it&#8217;s basically at full retail.<br />
I do not agree with an internet price and a in-store price that is different. We may from time to time put a coupon in that requires you the shopper to bring it in to get the price. Having the customer come into the shop is what I want as the owner because they may see another bottle that they would like and buy it . Or, they may actually realize how nice a store we have and we may develop a new customer. </p>
<p>We may negotiate a price  with a customer who is in the store and wants the wine but would like a little deal on it. If you are a customer and support us we support you in these tough economic times. The internet shopper is a secondary customer to us. We sell to them but they want Sine Qua Non, or Peter Michael at a discount. We want those wines to be sold to our customers who come back day in and day out and enjoy our love, knowledge and interest in wines that they are buying.</p>
<p>That is how we look at it.<br />
Paul Baryames<br />
Owner PJ&#8217;s Wine &amp; Spirits</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Stephenson</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/06/29/wine-prices-online-stores-best-price/#comment-257773</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Stephenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My (perhaps incorrect) understanding of *New York State* Liquor Law is that offering two different prices based on purchase channel is actually illegal.

I&#039;ve been told on a number of occasions that the price must be the price, regardless of whether someone walks in, calls, faxes, uses the web, or drops off an order via carrier pigeon.

A store is clearly allowed to offer quantity discounts, but again, those must be consistent across channels.

Does anyone with a bit better access to the law confirm whether this is true?

Regardless of whether my comments above are correct, this is how we operate at Crush: the price is the price is the price no matter how you place your order.  Note: We *do* time-restrict our promotional offers for obvious reasons -- the price in March may not be the price in June.


-Tom

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Tom Stephenson
General Manager
Crush Wine &amp; Spirits]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My (perhaps incorrect) understanding of *New York State* Liquor Law is that offering two different prices based on purchase channel is actually illegal.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been told on a number of occasions that the price must be the price, regardless of whether someone walks in, calls, faxes, uses the web, or drops off an order via carrier pigeon.</p>
<p>A store is clearly allowed to offer quantity discounts, but again, those must be consistent across channels.</p>
<p>Does anyone with a bit better access to the law confirm whether this is true?</p>
<p>Regardless of whether my comments above are correct, this is how we operate at Crush: the price is the price is the price no matter how you place your order.  Note: We *do* time-restrict our promotional offers for obvious reasons &#8212; the price in March may not be the price in June.</p>
<p>-Tom</p>
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Tom Stephenson<br />
General Manager<br />
Crush Wine &amp; Spirits</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Newman</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/06/29/wine-prices-online-stores-best-price/#comment-257439</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 12:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The online vs. in-store differentials are definitely a tricky proposition. 

Not long ago, I helped create a website for online sales for one of the largest wine retailers in the county, and even though the web is less than 5 percent of all wine sales, I still believe it is the wave of the future. Wine purchasers love finding deals on the internet and appreciate the convenience it offers, especially if they have children or are busy two income families. That’s a big reason why many bricks-and-mortar retailers are building websites. They want to give flexibility to their consumers, and websites with great specials and great content will be an increasingly formidable force in overall national retail wine sales.  

 
But there’s definitely an argument to be made for the value of in-store wine sales. Consumers purchase wine for three reasons: great prices, great product selection and superior customer service. Most consumers don’t purchase wine on the internet because they like the experience of visiting stores to interact with their retailer and participate in a treasure hunt experience, browsing and finding hidden gems. It’s also important to get to know the owner or wine salesman of your local store -- they can give great recommendations and let you know when they have specials or access to limited distribution wines.

Jonathan Newman
CEO, Newman Wine &amp; Spirits]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The online vs. in-store differentials are definitely a tricky proposition. </p>
<p>Not long ago, I helped create a website for online sales for one of the largest wine retailers in the county, and even though the web is less than 5 percent of all wine sales, I still believe it is the wave of the future. Wine purchasers love finding deals on the internet and appreciate the convenience it offers, especially if they have children or are busy two income families. That’s a big reason why many bricks-and-mortar retailers are building websites. They want to give flexibility to their consumers, and websites with great specials and great content will be an increasingly formidable force in overall national retail wine sales.  </p>
<p>But there’s definitely an argument to be made for the value of in-store wine sales. Consumers purchase wine for three reasons: great prices, great product selection and superior customer service. Most consumers don’t purchase wine on the internet because they like the experience of visiting stores to interact with their retailer and participate in a treasure hunt experience, browsing and finding hidden gems. It’s also important to get to know the owner or wine salesman of your local store &#8212; they can give great recommendations and let you know when they have specials or access to limited distribution wines.</p>
<p>Jonathan Newman<br />
CEO, Newman Wine &amp; Spirits</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/06/29/wine-prices-online-stores-best-price/#comment-257341</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 05:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;On top of generally being more expensive, the retail option generally means that the wine has been sitting at room temperature for who knows how long.&quot;

On the other hand, you can inspect the bottle right then and there for signs of damage. Don&#039;t assume distributor&#039;s warehouses are climate-controlled; often they are pallets and pallets of wine stacked on top of each other, and the bottles on top can be significantly warmer than those on bottom.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On top of generally being more expensive, the retail option generally means that the wine has been sitting at room temperature for who knows how long.&#8221;</p>
<p>On the other hand, you can inspect the bottle right then and there for signs of damage. Don&#8217;t assume distributor&#8217;s warehouses are climate-controlled; often they are pallets and pallets of wine stacked on top of each other, and the bottles on top can be significantly warmer than those on bottom.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/06/29/wine-prices-online-stores-best-price/#comment-257085</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s nothing new. What is ridiculous is the hoops they put your friends through when they were aware of the online price. It&#039;s one thing if the shopper just walks in casually, unknowing. However, they had their information on hand and yes, a smart phone would&#039;ve saved them even more time in that situation. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nothing new. What is ridiculous is the hoops they put your friends through when they were aware of the online price. It&#8217;s one thing if the shopper just walks in casually, unknowing. However, they had their information on hand and yes, a smart phone would&#8217;ve saved them even more time in that situation. <img src='http://www.drvino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Wine Discounts: Navigating the Email Jungle &#171; WineZag</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/06/29/wine-prices-online-stores-best-price/#comment-256997</link>
		<dc:creator>Wine Discounts: Navigating the Email Jungle &#171; WineZag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] hundreds of good wine sellers marketing very good wine at, until now, unheard of prices.  In a Dr. Vino post , where you can feel the frustrations rooted in inconsistent on-line and in-store pricing from [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hundreds of good wine sellers marketing very good wine at, until now, unheard of prices.  In a Dr. Vino post , where you can feel the frustrations rooted in inconsistent on-line and in-store pricing from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/06/29/wine-prices-online-stores-best-price/#comment-256924</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I honestly don&#039;t know how it works for more casual purchasers, but for me I scan all mediums and buy selectively to get the most bang for my buck.  Online, email, auction, and ever-more-rarely retail.  On top of generally being more expensive, the retail option generally means that the wine has been sitting at room temperature for who knows how long.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know how it works for more casual purchasers, but for me I scan all mediums and buy selectively to get the most bang for my buck.  Online, email, auction, and ever-more-rarely retail.  On top of generally being more expensive, the retail option generally means that the wine has been sitting at room temperature for who knows how long.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Kreissler</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/06/29/wine-prices-online-stores-best-price/#comment-256836</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Kreissler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 16:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is the charging of different prices for the same bottle of wine, whether in-store or on-line any different then what hotels do in pricing their rooms?  Caveat emptor]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the charging of different prices for the same bottle of wine, whether in-store or on-line any different then what hotels do in pricing their rooms?  Caveat emptor</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Stevenson</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/06/29/wine-prices-online-stores-best-price/#comment-256684</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Stevenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 00:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;And what of daily emails from wine retailers? 
&gt;I subscribe to some, but generally I find 
&gt;them a blunt instrument, blasting out offers 
&gt;on wines that I have no interest in.

I encourage EVERYONE to try and actually buy some of those &quot;deals&quot;.  When you try and click thru and put 90% of those deal wines in your shopping cart, you&#039;re told &quot;Sorry, that wine is out of stock.  However, the following 5 wines are in stock&quot;.  Classic bait and switch.

Internet retailers have no idea what you like, even if you fill out their &#039;profile&#039; questions.  We talk to people about what they like and how they want to get it.  That&#039;s why our business has absolutely exploded, even in the face of the worst economy in recent history.  It&#039;s also helped us become the fastest growing company in Sonoma County.  Selling and enjoying wine is a viceral experience, not electronic...

Jeff Stevenson
CEO, Provino Premium Wines - Santa Rosa, CA]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;And what of daily emails from wine retailers?<br />
&gt;I subscribe to some, but generally I find<br />
&gt;them a blunt instrument, blasting out offers<br />
&gt;on wines that I have no interest in.</p>
<p>I encourage EVERYONE to try and actually buy some of those &#8220;deals&#8221;.  When you try and click thru and put 90% of those deal wines in your shopping cart, you&#8217;re told &#8220;Sorry, that wine is out of stock.  However, the following 5 wines are in stock&#8221;.  Classic bait and switch.</p>
<p>Internet retailers have no idea what you like, even if you fill out their &#8216;profile&#8217; questions.  We talk to people about what they like and how they want to get it.  That&#8217;s why our business has absolutely exploded, even in the face of the worst economy in recent history.  It&#8217;s also helped us become the fastest growing company in Sonoma County.  Selling and enjoying wine is a viceral experience, not electronic&#8230;</p>
<p>Jeff Stevenson<br />
CEO, Provino Premium Wines &#8211; Santa Rosa, CA</p>
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		<title>By: KB</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/06/29/wine-prices-online-stores-best-price/#comment-256588</link>
		<dc:creator>KB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure there are some things that make wine different, but as one commenter already mentioned, this phenonmenon is not limited to wine.  Everything from electronics to books to clothing have a different price if you buy them online (from the same retailer). This doesn&#039;t make it right -- just not unique to wine.  One difference may be that the scenarios you detail here seem to involve independently owned establishments, which seem foolish not to honor their own online prices.  In contrast, I do not expect the same from Borders or Banana Republic -- but perhaps I should?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure there are some things that make wine different, but as one commenter already mentioned, this phenonmenon is not limited to wine.  Everything from electronics to books to clothing have a different price if you buy them online (from the same retailer). This doesn&#8217;t make it right &#8212; just not unique to wine.  One difference may be that the scenarios you detail here seem to involve independently owned establishments, which seem foolish not to honor their own online prices.  In contrast, I do not expect the same from Borders or Banana Republic &#8212; but perhaps I should?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Posner</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/06/29/wine-prices-online-stores-best-price/#comment-256582</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Posner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good stuff, Tyler. Put us in the camp of offering our best prices via email, while our online and retail prices are the same. Our email list is like our &quot;locals&quot; so we try to give our &quot;locals&quot; the best price.

Daniel
www.grapesthewineco.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff, Tyler. Put us in the camp of offering our best prices via email, while our online and retail prices are the same. Our email list is like our &#8220;locals&#8221; so we try to give our &#8220;locals&#8221; the best price.</p>
<p>Daniel<br />
<a href="http://www.grapesthewineco.com" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://www.grapesthewineco.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: George Schaefer</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Schaefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see this happening everywhere.  It is making &quot;in-store&quot; shopping a pain.  Now I have to check the web site for the things I think I want and not worry about the things which I buy on recommendation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this happening everywhere.  It is making &#8220;in-store&#8221; shopping a pain.  Now I have to check the web site for the things I think I want and not worry about the things which I buy on recommendation.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good article.  I think this illustrates one more way in which the internet aggregators are driving down prices and thus margins for retailers and wineries.  Since it&#039;s apparently legal online to offer limited product to the highest bidder, I suppose you could also have a store decide not to sell it to you for the online price because someone is willing to buy that same bottle of wine for more.  All whining about the unfairness aside, that&#039;s what&#039;s going on.  In many cases, the &quot;store&quot; online with the lowest price doesn&#039;t actually have the wine in stock and if they do, are making a very small markup on them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  I think this illustrates one more way in which the internet aggregators are driving down prices and thus margins for retailers and wineries.  Since it&#8217;s apparently legal online to offer limited product to the highest bidder, I suppose you could also have a store decide not to sell it to you for the online price because someone is willing to buy that same bottle of wine for more.  All whining about the unfairness aside, that&#8217;s what&#8217;s going on.  In many cases, the &#8220;store&#8221; online with the lowest price doesn&#8217;t actually have the wine in stock and if they do, are making a very small markup on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Esteban</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2009/06/29/wine-prices-online-stores-best-price/#comment-256570</link>
		<dc:creator>Esteban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These retailers are trying to be savvy by segmenting markets, but they&#039;re being clumsy. It makes sense to offer different prices through different channels, to try to drum up business and sell the most merchandise.  The discount to web buyers makes sense in that you&#039;re rewarding high-information consumers.  If someone comes in and QUOTES the web price, they&#039;re obviously high-information consumers, and should be given that price.  But the low-information consumer who just browses in the store and decides to buy something on a whim... there&#039;s nothing wrong with charging them whatever the market will bear.

The problem lies in refusing to honor the lower price, not in having two prices in the first place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These retailers are trying to be savvy by segmenting markets, but they&#8217;re being clumsy. It makes sense to offer different prices through different channels, to try to drum up business and sell the most merchandise.  The discount to web buyers makes sense in that you&#8217;re rewarding high-information consumers.  If someone comes in and QUOTES the web price, they&#8217;re obviously high-information consumers, and should be given that price.  But the low-information consumer who just browses in the store and decides to buy something on a whim&#8230; there&#8217;s nothing wrong with charging them whatever the market will bear.</p>
<p>The problem lies in refusing to honor the lower price, not in having two prices in the first place.</p>
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