Comments on: Changes at The Wine Advocate? Correspondence with Parker and Miller http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/ wine talk that goes down easy Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:11:00 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: A Road Side Bomb « WineZag http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-280816 A Road Side Bomb « WineZag Tue, 06 Oct 2009 10:34:51 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-280816 [...] alas Coleman, who has come by a “Parker head hunting” reputation honestly, declared proof of thesis in what appears somewhat premeditated and only barely [...] [...] alas Coleman, who has come by a “Parker head hunting” reputation honestly, declared proof of thesis in what appears somewhat premeditated and only barely [...]

]]> By: Monologista dialogiksi « Viinipiru – viiniblogi, joka vie koko käden http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-278293 Monologista dialogiksi « Viinipiru – viiniblogi, joka vie koko käden Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:41:11 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-278293 [...] Vuonna 2009 viinimaailmassa tapahtuu enemmän kuin pitkään aikaan, kiitos Internetin kasvavan painoarvon, minkä eräs oire ovat olleet äänekkäät sanasodat perinteisten kriitikkojen ja Internetkirjoittajien välillä. Näistä kuuluisin lienee Robert Parkerin ja Dr. Vino -blogia pitävän Tyler Colemanin valtavirtalehtien sivuille päätynyt kahina, jossa jälkimmäinen syytti ensimmäistä omien periaatteidensa syömisestä. [...] [...] Vuonna 2009 viinimaailmassa tapahtuu enemmän kuin pitkään aikaan, kiitos Internetin kasvavan painoarvon, minkä eräs oire ovat olleet äänekkäät sanasodat perinteisten kriitikkojen ja Internetkirjoittajien välillä. Näistä kuuluisin lienee Robert Parkerin ja Dr. Vino -blogia pitävän Tyler Colemanin valtavirtalehtien sivuille päätynyt kahina, jossa jälkimmäinen syytti ensimmäistä omien periaatteidensa syömisestä. [...]

]]> By: Tutti wine critics. La democratizzazione della rece(nsione) | Intravino http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-278263 Tutti wine critics. La democratizzazione della rece(nsione) | Intravino Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:30:18 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-278263 [...] dall’annosa vicenda che ha contrapposto Robert Parker ed alcuni suoi lettori, ripresa da Dr.Vino e dal Wall Street Journal. Dissapore ne ha parlato qui. Ricordate? Alcuni collaboratori di Parker, [...] [...] dall’annosa vicenda che ha contrapposto Robert Parker ed alcuni suoi lettori, ripresa da Dr.Vino e dal Wall Street Journal. Dissapore ne ha parlato qui. Ricordate? Alcuni collaboratori di Parker, [...]

]]> By: Slate: how the Internet has democratized wine drinking | Dr Vino's wine blog http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-278166 Slate: how the Internet has democratized wine drinking | Dr Vino's wine blog Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:59:35 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-278166 [...] a synopsis earlier today of the recent policy transgressions, changes and general tone deafness at Robert Parker’s The Wine Advocate. It advances the discussion since his angle is that the moment of the Internet is now: But while [...] [...] a synopsis earlier today of the recent policy transgressions, changes and general tone deafness at Robert Parker’s The Wine Advocate. It advances the discussion since his angle is that the moment of the Internet is now: But while [...]

]]> By: Eric Lejeun http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-263736 Eric Lejeun Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:57:13 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-263736 It looks like this article made its way to Asia and particularly Japan from which interesting feedbacks were received. An article published in Wands The international Wine & Sprits Magazine for the trade in Japan is bringing new information to the scene. (Wands website: http://www.wine.or.jp/wands) Scan is just over here : http://img40.imageshack.us/i/wandsparker.jpg/ Quick and dirty translation comes below : “Something not brought yet in Dr.Vino’s blog is that Robert Parker himself is not irreproachable. From 1998 upon the request of a Japanese importer and in exchange of enormous amount of money, Parker participated to seminars, and contributed to the business of that importer. That company is producing in Japan a white wine from Koshu grape, and is the sole distributor of that wine. In May 2008, Robert Parker scored the wine after drinking it in a high class sushi restaurant located in Ginza, and published it on his website” Due to the fact that the original article is in Japanese, such information might never be revealed to the erobertparker.com’s member…The trade will certainly be aware sooner or later… The article statements can easily be proved using the following sources : Website for the wine scored by Parker. http://koshu.org/en/index.php “Robert Parker praised each vintage of Shizen wine, including the Shizen 2007 vintage on a trip to Tokyo in May 2008. Shizen Cuvee Denis Dubourdieu remains the only Asian wine reviewed by Robert Parker.” Hedonist Gazette After reading the hedonist gazette, it’s easy to find the wine Koshu (tasted and scored twice !!! Indeed as the name seems slightly different, it’s nothing but the same wine) http://www.erobertparker.com/members/gazette/hg224.asp http://www.erobertparker.com/members/gazette/hg430.asp Post from Parker on Mark Squires’ Bulletin Board Parker states that the “wines are the brain-child of my Japanese publisher” http://dat.erobertparker.com/bboard/showthread.php?t=146327&highlight=shizen The importer producing the wine / Parker’s Japanese publisher is Millesimes. This wine can be found in their PDF catalogue with parker points on page 29. http://www.millesimes.co.jp/download/wine_list/0904_millesime_wine.pdf Japanese explanations are saying that this wine is the first Asian wine to be ever tasted by Robert M. Parker Jr. That's quite funny to see such publicly available information not mentioned because of the language differences. It looks like this article made its way to Asia and particularly Japan from which
interesting feedbacks were received.

An article published in Wands The international Wine & Sprits Magazine for
the trade in Japan is bringing new information to the scene.
(Wands website: http://www.wine.or.jp/wands)
Scan is just over here : http://img40.imageshack.us/i/wandsparker.jpg/

Quick and dirty translation comes below :

“Something not brought yet in Dr.Vino’s blog is that Robert Parker himself is not irreproachable.

From 1998 upon the request of a Japanese importer and in exchange of enormous amount of money, Parker participated to seminars, and contributed to the business of that importer. That company is producing in Japan a white wine from Koshu grape, and is the sole distributor of that wine. In May 2008, Robert Parker scored the wine after drinking it in a high class sushi restaurant located in Ginza, and published it on his website”

Due to the fact that the original article is in Japanese, such information might never be revealed to the erobertparker.com’s member…The trade will certainly be aware sooner or later…

The article statements can easily be proved using the following sources :

Website for the wine scored by Parker.
http://koshu.org/en/index.php
“Robert Parker praised each vintage of Shizen wine, including the Shizen
2007 vintage on a trip to Tokyo in May 2008. Shizen Cuvee Denis Dubourdieu
remains the only Asian wine reviewed by Robert Parker.”

Hedonist Gazette
After reading the hedonist gazette, it’s easy to find the wine Koshu
(tasted and scored twice !!! Indeed as the name seems slightly different,
it’s nothing but the same wine)
http://www.erobertparker.com/members/gazette/hg224.asp
http://www.erobertparker.com/members/gazette/hg430.asp

Post from Parker on Mark Squires’ Bulletin Board
Parker states that the “wines are the brain-child of my Japanese publisher”

http://dat.erobertparker.com/bboard/showthread.php?t=146327&highlight=shizen

The importer producing the wine / Parker’s Japanese publisher is Millesimes. This wine can be found in their PDF catalogue with parker points on page 29.
http://www.millesimes.co.jp/download/wine_list/0904_millesime_wine.pdf

Japanese explanations are saying that this wine is the first Asian wine to be ever tasted by Robert M. Parker Jr.

That’s quite funny to see such publicly available information not mentioned because of the language differences.

]]> By: Anthony Dias Blue, bloggers, and the exposure package | Dr Vino's wine blog http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-262532 Anthony Dias Blue, bloggers, and the exposure package | Dr Vino's wine blog Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:59:17 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-262532 [...] He further suggests that I “cast aspersions” at Robert Parker and his staff in my two posts from April and uses the word “allegedly” to describe the trips taken by [...] [...] He further suggests that I “cast aspersions” at Robert Parker and his staff in my two posts from April and uses the word “allegedly” to describe the trips taken by [...]

]]> By: Ron Sigler http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-259300 Ron Sigler Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:58:03 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-259300 I was wondering, while perusing Miller's chapter on Argentina in Parker's latest guide book, why there is no mention of Bodegas Weinert. Their wines are fabulous, though rather old-school, and Parker himself, in earlier editions of his book, listed them as among the best of the country. Perhaps they did not chip in for the private jet? Also, in the Spanish reviews, no notes for Pesquera?? I am not in the trade, just a lowly consumer, but I have drinking, and cellering wine, on a modest budget, for almost forty years. Parker's books have always been a great inspiration, especially for finding high quality bottles at reasonable prices. Just as balance is the most important quality in a fine wine, so is it in wine criticism and commentary. It would be a terrible shame if that balance were sacrificed on the altar of ego and greed! I was wondering, while perusing Miller’s chapter on Argentina in Parker’s latest guide book, why there is no mention of Bodegas Weinert. Their wines are fabulous, though rather old-school, and Parker himself, in earlier editions of his book, listed them as among the best of the country. Perhaps they did not chip in for the private jet?
Also, in the Spanish reviews, no notes for Pesquera??
I am not in the trade, just a lowly consumer, but I have drinking, and cellering wine, on a modest budget, for almost forty years. Parker’s books have always been a great inspiration, especially for finding high quality bottles at reasonable prices.
Just as balance is the most important quality in a fine wine, so is it in wine criticism and commentary.
It would be a terrible shame if that balance were sacrificed on the altar of ego and greed!

]]> By: Tokumei Kibo http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-254426 Tokumei Kibo Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:26:29 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-254426 Robert Parker himself is not free from “conflicts of interest”. Last ten years he visited Japan several times to do wine events for Japanese wine enthusiasts. The program was planned by his friend Ernest Singer who runs wine importer Millesimes Inc. based in Tokyo. I was told that Parker was paid approximate $30,000 for three day program. He was also treated with extremely expensive dinners (over $300 per person) while he stayed in Japan, besides roundtrip first class air tickets (also for his family). The worst thing Parker did was that he reviewed “Koshu Cuvée Denis Durboudieu” which is produced and marketed by the host Ernest Singer. I consider the review was terribly biased. http://www.erobertparker.com/members/gazette/hg430.asp Robert Parker himself is not free from “conflicts of interest”. Last ten years he visited Japan several times to do wine events for Japanese wine enthusiasts. The program was planned by his friend Ernest Singer who runs wine importer Millesimes Inc. based in Tokyo. I was told that Parker was paid approximate $30,000 for three day program. He was also treated with extremely expensive dinners (over $300 per person) while he stayed in Japan, besides roundtrip first class air tickets (also for his family).

The worst thing Parker did was that he reviewed “Koshu Cuvée Denis Durboudieu” which is produced and marketed by the host Ernest Singer. I consider the review was terribly biased.

http://www.erobertparker.com/members/gazette/hg430.asp

]]> By: Media Critic http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-252376 Media Critic Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:24:24 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-252376 Bravo for Vino. Reading this blog all night was worth the bottle that smoothed it down. The quality of writing on this thread has been terrific. So with daylight now breaking, a few Freudian observations from another with a journalistic background, and whose only sibling is a child psychologist. I speak too - as one from the world of old-money Maryland, who attended a university in the sphere of Miller's, whose own alumni, nevertheless, dismiss Miller's post-graduate alma-matter, if they bother to consider it at all... Anyhow: No one gets to be a talented wine critic without being a hedonist. I would hope too, that a serious critic is a foodie as well. Since pairings are a part of appreciation. Free meals in the world's best restaurants?. How could he resist? But that doesn't make it okay. It should have been with an heiress or rich widow(er?) as a date, instead of Jorge. Surely she'd be able to find Miller's palate worth the time, and her dime (you sold yourself too cheaply MrBigJ). And Miller's initial wise guy response to Dr. Vino's e-mail? Hello?!? Probably made after drinking half a case of samples and choked over when he woke up. Maybe RMP was in the room and they both fell out of their chairs laughing when it was sent - knowing who it was going to. Opps. It should still be taken with true humor at its core, however. Parker doesn't just have a great palate. He's obviously brilliant and the possessor of a great legal mind as well. So his initial response was intuitively well-crafted to seem off-hand and honest (ly honest) while giving no hint of what he really knows. If I was asked to summarize this thread for a buddy after, mind-you, washing it down: I would laughingly-say: Miller and Parker, who live near each other, are obviously great buddies who have shared some - MEMORABLE - if unspeakable, times together. Flying around Argentina on a private jet?! Good grief. For a hedonist who appreciates the world's finest restaurants and wines?! That's like a record company promoter cutting lines of coke for a powerful DJ in the back room. Say a kilo's worth... And probably, that's not all. It has obviously been revealed that Miller is one of those guys who can't say, no. An addict who will sell the silver (in this case WA's standards) for a fix. My guess is that Miller and Parker have some secret shared tales that would have been a blast to share; and that Parker winked and smiled knowing his buddy would have a great time in Argentina and Spain. Maybe he owed him... Though never suspecting, of course, that it would make the WSJ. Some friendships though, however memorable the ride, are, in the greater context of life -- toxic. And the breakup of this one could be a fly-on-the-wall's tear-jerker. Though it's hard to decide which would be more detrimental in this case: staying with a filandering spouse, or publicly admitting their infidelity and the failure of your union to the world in the form of a divorce. Perhaps we should ask Bill and Hillary for their perspective. At least that's the synopsis I'd give my buddy after an enjoyable night of reading this thread while polishing a bottle. With a wry smile and a wink... Bravo for Vino. Reading this blog all night was worth the bottle that smoothed it down. The quality of writing on this thread has been terrific. So with daylight now breaking, a few Freudian observations from another with a journalistic background, and whose only sibling is a child psychologist. I speak too – as one from the world of old-money Maryland, who attended a university in the sphere of Miller’s, whose own alumni, nevertheless, dismiss Miller’s post-graduate alma-matter, if they bother to consider it at all…

Anyhow:

No one gets to be a talented wine critic without being a hedonist. I would hope too, that a serious critic is a foodie as well. Since pairings are a part of appreciation. Free meals in the world’s best restaurants?. How could he resist? But that doesn’t make it okay. It should have been with an heiress or rich widow(er?) as a date, instead of Jorge. Surely she’d be able to find Miller’s palate worth the time, and her dime (you sold yourself too cheaply MrBigJ). And Miller’s initial wise guy response to Dr. Vino’s e-mail? Hello?!? Probably made after drinking half a case of samples and choked over when he woke up. Maybe RMP was in the room and they both fell out of their chairs laughing when it was sent – knowing who it was going to. Opps. It should still be taken with true humor at its core, however.

Parker doesn’t just have a great palate. He’s obviously brilliant and the possessor of a great legal mind as well. So his initial response was intuitively well-crafted to seem off-hand and honest (ly honest) while giving no hint of what he really knows.

If I was asked to summarize this thread for a buddy after, mind-you, washing it down: I would laughingly-say: Miller and Parker, who live near each other, are obviously great buddies who have shared some – MEMORABLE – if unspeakable, times together.

Flying around Argentina on a private jet?! Good grief. For a hedonist who appreciates the world’s finest restaurants and wines?! That’s like a record company promoter cutting lines of coke for a powerful DJ in the back room. Say a kilo’s worth… And probably, that’s not all. It has obviously been revealed that Miller is one of those guys who can’t say, no. An addict who will sell the silver (in this case WA’s standards) for a fix.

My guess is that Miller and Parker have some secret shared tales that would have been a blast to share; and that Parker winked and smiled knowing his buddy would have a great time in Argentina and Spain. Maybe he owed him… Though never suspecting, of course, that it would make the WSJ.

Some friendships though, however memorable the ride, are, in the greater context of life — toxic. And the breakup of this one could be a fly-on-the-wall’s tear-jerker. Though it’s hard to decide which would be more detrimental in this case: staying with a filandering spouse, or publicly admitting their infidelity and the failure of your union to the world in the form of a divorce. Perhaps we should ask Bill and Hillary for their perspective.

At least that’s the synopsis I’d give my buddy after an enjoyable night of reading this thread while polishing a bottle. With a wry smile and a wink…

]]> By: The Basket Press » Australian Wine Writing http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-251527 The Basket Press » Australian Wine Writing Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:50:52 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-251527 [...] this ongoing argument. It’s interesting how sanctimonious some can [...] [...] this ongoing argument. It’s interesting how sanctimonious some can [...]

]]> By: Codice etico anche noi, grazie | Dissapore http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-247341 Codice etico anche noi, grazie | Dissapore Wed, 27 May 2009 07:22:26 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-247341 [...] osservare che il big scandal che coinvolge Robert Parker - e i suoi due collaboratori - nasce dopo questo post di Dr. Vino, uno dei blog enoici più influenti a livello mondiale; ma mentre Dr. Vino ha il suo bel code of [...] [...] osservare che il big scandal che coinvolge Robert Parker – e i suoi due collaboratori – nasce dopo questo post di Dr. Vino, uno dei blog enoici più influenti a livello mondiale; ma mentre Dr. Vino ha il suo bel code of [...]

]]> By: winesooth.com » Blog Archive » 40 days http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-247106 winesooth.com » Blog Archive » 40 days Tue, 26 May 2009 16:22:27 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-247106 [...] is as good a place as any for this recuperating blogger to get back to his keyboard. 40 days after Tyler Coleman posted a piece which started a maelstrom of Parker bashing, The Wall Street Journal’s David Kesmodel [...] [...] is as good a place as any for this recuperating blogger to get back to his keyboard. 40 days after Tyler Coleman posted a piece which started a maelstrom of Parker bashing, The Wall Street Journal’s David Kesmodel [...]

]]> By: Wine Advocate Writers Spark Ethics Debate - Wall Street Journal | Dr Vino's wine blog http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-247030 Wine Advocate Writers Spark Ethics Debate - Wall Street Journal | Dr Vino's wine blog Tue, 26 May 2009 11:36:51 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-247030 [...] Wine Advocate. He acknowledges reporting on this blog that initially raised the questions (see my original correspondence with Parker and critic Jay Miller here and a follow up [...] [...] Wine Advocate. He acknowledges reporting on this blog that initially raised the questions (see my original correspondence with Parker and critic Jay Miller here and a follow up [...]

]]> By: Ward on Wine » Blog Archive » Links in a chain http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-243780 Ward on Wine » Blog Archive » Links in a chain Mon, 11 May 2009 20:31:56 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-243780 [...] Slate wine guru, by the way, has been involved in quite the contretemps involving two other redoubtable wine figures, blogger Dr. Vino and critic Robert Parker. [...] [...] Slate wine guru, by the way, has been involved in quite the contretemps involving two other redoubtable wine figures, blogger Dr. Vino and critic Robert Parker. [...]

]]> By: Ken Payton http://www.drvino.com/2009/04/16/changes-at-the-wine-advocate-correspondence-with-parker-and-miller/#comment-243497 Ken Payton Sun, 10 May 2009 06:39:08 +0000 http://www.drvino.com/?p=3650#comment-243497 Where are the women contributors on this thread? Happy Mother's Day. Where are the women contributors on this thread?

Happy Mother’s Day.

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