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		<title>By: yummy</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2008/08/21/box-wine-responses-to-your-comments-on-drink-outside-the-box/#comment-215305</link>
		<dc:creator>yummy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 16:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No matter how good the wine being bagged gets, and no matter how good the oxygen transmission level of the component materials gets, you&#039;ll always have some degree of &quot;stripping&quot;, where the sealant layer of the bag film (or, the bag liner) strips aromatics from the wine, leaving it, well, sort of &quot;muted&quot; 

Not making it bad, just a little &quot;flatter&quot; than it would have been if it were bottled...

Agreed Bag in Box makes for a good &quot;Value Pack&quot; for wine, and most definitely has a place...I don&#039;t see the packaging format as very viable for package displacements of less than 3 litres.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how good the wine being bagged gets, and no matter how good the oxygen transmission level of the component materials gets, you&#8217;ll always have some degree of &#8220;stripping&#8221;, where the sealant layer of the bag film (or, the bag liner) strips aromatics from the wine, leaving it, well, sort of &#8220;muted&#8221; </p>
<p>Not making it bad, just a little &#8220;flatter&#8221; than it would have been if it were bottled&#8230;</p>
<p>Agreed Bag in Box makes for a good &#8220;Value Pack&#8221; for wine, and most definitely has a place&#8230;I don&#8217;t see the packaging format as very viable for package displacements of less than 3 litres.</p>
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		<title>By: Wine's impact on Global Warming &#124; Paarl Wine Country</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2008/08/21/box-wine-responses-to-your-comments-on-drink-outside-the-box/#comment-142516</link>
		<dc:creator>Wine's impact on Global Warming &#124; Paarl Wine Country</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of consumer rejection and the scathing media scrutiny. But in the US it has been estimated that boxed wine could reduce up to the equivalent of 400 000 cars’ carbon emissions. So if every winery [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jathan</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2008/08/21/box-wine-responses-to-your-comments-on-drink-outside-the-box/#comment-137892</link>
		<dc:creator>Jathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great posts Tyler. Some people are still missing the point though. Most focused on the Carbon Footprint issue, but I think a bigger case for box wine is storage, both in longevity and space. Sometimes my wife doesn&#039;t want wine and I do, so when I open a bottle, I have to wonder if I&#039;m going to want to drink it tomorrow, or if it will work with our menu the next day. How much better to just pour myself a glass or two and not worry about the rest of a bottle going to waste.

As far as space goes, you&#039;d be surprised how many homes I&#039;ve seen, in a rather affluent area, that have full wine racks sitting on the kitchen counter by the window. Instead, box wine can store comfortably in a sealed cool pantry, a closet on the floor, or in the fridge, all great options to avoid compromising wine quality.

A reader on the original post commented on the romance of opening a bottle with a cork and mastering the pour. I tend to find the romance comes from the quality of the wine, food, and company of the evening, not from the storage medium. Perhaps it can be illustrated this way: Is the romance found in the plastic food wrapper you bring home from the store, or the experience you have when you enjoy your first bite? 

Better quality wine in box is long overdue, and today&#039;s consumer isn&#039;t foolish enough to turn up their nose at something that has been associated with Plonk in the past, they&#039;ll just have to be marketed to correctly. The acceptance of higher end wines sealed with twist-offs is proof that they can.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great posts Tyler. Some people are still missing the point though. Most focused on the Carbon Footprint issue, but I think a bigger case for box wine is storage, both in longevity and space. Sometimes my wife doesn&#8217;t want wine and I do, so when I open a bottle, I have to wonder if I&#8217;m going to want to drink it tomorrow, or if it will work with our menu the next day. How much better to just pour myself a glass or two and not worry about the rest of a bottle going to waste.</p>
<p>As far as space goes, you&#8217;d be surprised how many homes I&#8217;ve seen, in a rather affluent area, that have full wine racks sitting on the kitchen counter by the window. Instead, box wine can store comfortably in a sealed cool pantry, a closet on the floor, or in the fridge, all great options to avoid compromising wine quality.</p>
<p>A reader on the original post commented on the romance of opening a bottle with a cork and mastering the pour. I tend to find the romance comes from the quality of the wine, food, and company of the evening, not from the storage medium. Perhaps it can be illustrated this way: Is the romance found in the plastic food wrapper you bring home from the store, or the experience you have when you enjoy your first bite? </p>
<p>Better quality wine in box is long overdue, and today&#8217;s consumer isn&#8217;t foolish enough to turn up their nose at something that has been associated with Plonk in the past, they&#8217;ll just have to be marketed to correctly. The acceptance of higher end wines sealed with twist-offs is proof that they can.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the liquor store where I work/manage we must average between four to six cases of box wine sales on an average day. The majority of it is the bland and insipid offerings of Almaden, Franzia and Peter Vella brands. The customers do not seem to care about the quality of the wine but rather that it is cheap, plentiful and easy to drink. I`m tired of unloading it off of the delivery truck every week and stocking the shelves with it. I will not change my attitude regarding this plonk until more and better wines ultimately make it into the various boxes and tetra packs.It does seem to be the future for much of the wine produced for immediate or near term consumption.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the liquor store where I work/manage we must average between four to six cases of box wine sales on an average day. The majority of it is the bland and insipid offerings of Almaden, Franzia and Peter Vella brands. The customers do not seem to care about the quality of the wine but rather that it is cheap, plentiful and easy to drink. I`m tired of unloading it off of the delivery truck every week and stocking the shelves with it. I will not change my attitude regarding this plonk until more and better wines ultimately make it into the various boxes and tetra packs.It does seem to be the future for much of the wine produced for immediate or near term consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2008/08/21/box-wine-responses-to-your-comments-on-drink-outside-the-box/#comment-137123</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess I should have found this before posting my question, but I think this very thorough paper answers my question (p.13) and many more to the issue of enjoying wine with a conscience.
http://www.wine-economics.org/workingpapers/AAWE_WP09.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I should have found this before posting my question, but I think this very thorough paper answers my question (p.13) and many more to the issue of enjoying wine with a conscience.<br />
<a href="http://www.wine-economics.org/workingpapers/AAWE_WP09.pdf" rel="nofollow" class="lipdf">http://www.wine-economics.org/workingpapers/AAWE_WP09.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 04:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great thought provoking article.

Do you know what % of carbon emissions are from the transportation of a glass bottle of wine as a portion of the overall production and transportation?

Are any wineries addressing the production issue? 
I can picture it now, Napa Valley covered in lovely windmills.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thought provoking article.</p>
<p>Do you know what % of carbon emissions are from the transportation of a glass bottle of wine as a portion of the overall production and transportation?</p>
<p>Are any wineries addressing the production issue?<br />
I can picture it now, Napa Valley covered in lovely windmills.</p>
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		<title>By: AWToday 22/08/08 &#171; AWToday</title>
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		<dc:creator>AWToday 22/08/08 &#171; AWToday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 00:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Box wine: responses to your comments on Drink Outside the Box Dr. Vino - Chicago,IL,USA I have brought the succulent Yellow + Blue organic Malbec in 1L TetraPak (find this wine) though to friends–it’sa great conversation piece. &#8230; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Box wine: responses to your comments on Drink Outside the Box Dr. Vino &#8211; Chicago,IL,USA I have brought the succulent Yellow + Blue organic Malbec in 1L TetraPak (find this wine) though to friends–it’sa great conversation piece. &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kori Faltz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kori Faltz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Going green is great and saving money on wine is too!  My family owns a nice size winery in Illinois and we just (Literally 4 days ago)put 5 of our top selling wines in box to be the first in illinois leading the way to better recycling and staying green!

Kori Faltz]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going green is great and saving money on wine is too!  My family owns a nice size winery in Illinois and we just (Literally 4 days ago)put 5 of our top selling wines in box to be the first in illinois leading the way to better recycling and staying green!</p>
<p>Kori Faltz</p>
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		<title>By: MrTaz</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2008/08/21/box-wine-responses-to-your-comments-on-drink-outside-the-box/#comment-136268</link>
		<dc:creator>MrTaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tyler,

Great job all around on this article, post and discussion.  Thank you for your detailed research, reasoned approach, and head-on tackling of sometimes aggressive comments.  The popularity of the article and follow-up are well-deserved.

Personally, as a consumer, I would like to see more wine package options.  I like to drink a glass of wine with dinner every night.  I want it to be pleasant, drinkable, go well with food, and not break the bank.  Also, because I&#039;m only drinking one glass, I need it to keep for a few days in the fridge -- a problem with bottled wine.  The fact that boxed wine accomplishes this and is also potentially less expensive and more &quot;green&quot; makes it a great solution.  I&#039;d like to see greater variety of wines in boxes of different sizes.  3 liters is daunting, and it would get boring drinking the same wine for weeks.  1 liter and smaller would be perfect.  I have to try that Yellow+Blue malbec.

The only concern that gives me pause is the short shelf life issue raised by Morton Leslie.  Does boxed wine have a shorter shelf life than bottled?  Why would that be?

I sense that this is on the verge of a tipping point.  If the start-up costs of these package options are not prohibitive, wine suppliers would be wise to dip their toes in and gauge the market response.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler,</p>
<p>Great job all around on this article, post and discussion.  Thank you for your detailed research, reasoned approach, and head-on tackling of sometimes aggressive comments.  The popularity of the article and follow-up are well-deserved.</p>
<p>Personally, as a consumer, I would like to see more wine package options.  I like to drink a glass of wine with dinner every night.  I want it to be pleasant, drinkable, go well with food, and not break the bank.  Also, because I&#8217;m only drinking one glass, I need it to keep for a few days in the fridge &#8212; a problem with bottled wine.  The fact that boxed wine accomplishes this and is also potentially less expensive and more &#8220;green&#8221; makes it a great solution.  I&#8217;d like to see greater variety of wines in boxes of different sizes.  3 liters is daunting, and it would get boring drinking the same wine for weeks.  1 liter and smaller would be perfect.  I have to try that Yellow+Blue malbec.</p>
<p>The only concern that gives me pause is the short shelf life issue raised by Morton Leslie.  Does boxed wine have a shorter shelf life than bottled?  Why would that be?</p>
<p>I sense that this is on the verge of a tipping point.  If the start-up costs of these package options are not prohibitive, wine suppliers would be wise to dip their toes in and gauge the market response.</p>
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		<title>By: hamishwm</title>
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		<dc:creator>hamishwm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This discussion is relevant to me. I am quoting UK customers for wines ex South of France and seem to re work the sums over and over again. I am trying to reduce the costs...without insulting the producers! The &#039;dry goods&#039; costs are always the stumbling block, not the cost of the wine. 
Having spoken with various wholeslaers in the UK I would far rather offer better quality of wine and present the wine in 5 or 10 litre BiB formats (for restaurants). The sums work out...the only problem may be the snob factor and the education...it may take time, but we will get there. www.bellawines.co.uk]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This discussion is relevant to me. I am quoting UK customers for wines ex South of France and seem to re work the sums over and over again. I am trying to reduce the costs&#8230;without insulting the producers! The &#8216;dry goods&#8217; costs are always the stumbling block, not the cost of the wine.<br />
Having spoken with various wholeslaers in the UK I would far rather offer better quality of wine and present the wine in 5 or 10 litre BiB formats (for restaurants). The sums work out&#8230;the only problem may be the snob factor and the education&#8230;it may take time, but we will get there. <a href="http://www.bellawines.co.uk" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://www.bellawines.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Morton Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2008/08/21/box-wine-responses-to-your-comments-on-drink-outside-the-box/#comment-136134</link>
		<dc:creator>Morton Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Boxed wine has potential if you make or drink common, inexpensive wine. It has to be the sort of wine you can bottle a half dozen times a year because of the short shelf life of the box. You don&#039;t bottle when the wine is ready, you bottle when the inventory is about gone. Inevitably, despite care and good inventory control, pallets of year old boxes are sitting in a warehouse somewhere with sub quality product. Hopefully, you provide prominent visible pull dates on the product and take the wine back.  A decent Sonoma or Napa Cabernet would have to bring about $100 for a 3 liter for which there is no market. And someone paying $100 just might be a little more critical of product deterioration. But for common Australian or Californian wine and the wine consumer who can stand drinking four or more consecutive bottles of the same wine it probably has some merit. Odd that bottles and corks have never presented much of a problem for me. But I like variety.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boxed wine has potential if you make or drink common, inexpensive wine. It has to be the sort of wine you can bottle a half dozen times a year because of the short shelf life of the box. You don&#8217;t bottle when the wine is ready, you bottle when the inventory is about gone. Inevitably, despite care and good inventory control, pallets of year old boxes are sitting in a warehouse somewhere with sub quality product. Hopefully, you provide prominent visible pull dates on the product and take the wine back.  A decent Sonoma or Napa Cabernet would have to bring about $100 for a 3 liter for which there is no market. And someone paying $100 just might be a little more critical of product deterioration. But for common Australian or Californian wine and the wine consumer who can stand drinking four or more consecutive bottles of the same wine it probably has some merit. Odd that bottles and corks have never presented much of a problem for me. But I like variety.</p>
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		<title>By: Music &#38; Wine &#187; Wine-In-A-Box</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2008/08/21/box-wine-responses-to-your-comments-on-drink-outside-the-box/#comment-136054</link>
		<dc:creator>Music &#38; Wine &#187; Wine-In-A-Box</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Colman (AKA Dr Vino) has been talking about boxed wine a lot this week (post1 post2), including an op-ed piece in the New York Times on Sunday. I am very much in support of what he [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Caitlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caitlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had a chance to travel to St. Tropez, France a couple of summers ago and was surprised to see that my French host and hostess stored the majority of their regional wines in boxes.  This was the same trip where I discovered that not all pink wine is sweet. To this day the most delicious Roses I&#039;ve ever had were from those boxes.  This one is up there as well http://www.justgrapes.net/istar.asp?a=6&amp;id=67512!HER.  Though it does come in a bottle it&#039;s also organic, environmental toss up?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a chance to travel to St. Tropez, France a couple of summers ago and was surprised to see that my French host and hostess stored the majority of their regional wines in boxes.  This was the same trip where I discovered that not all pink wine is sweet. To this day the most delicious Roses I&#8217;ve ever had were from those boxes.  This one is up there as well <a href="http://www.justgrapes.net/istar.asp?a=6&#038;id=67512!HER" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://www.justgrapes.net/istar.asp?a=6&#038;id=67512!HER</a>.  Though it does come in a bottle it&#8217;s also organic, environmental toss up?</p>
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		<title>By: winehiker</title>
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		<dc:creator>winehiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like so many others here, I am in favor of the trend toward reduced-footprint wine delivery, despite perceived aesthetic issues. (There will always be the opportunity for ceremony with a glass bottle (read: style) even if the weekly house wine favors box adoption (read: substance).

But what I wonder is how/when/if the WSWA is going to get behind this trend, much less the small producers, who already have their hands full.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like so many others here, I am in favor of the trend toward reduced-footprint wine delivery, despite perceived aesthetic issues. (There will always be the opportunity for ceremony with a glass bottle (read: style) even if the weekly house wine favors box adoption (read: substance).</p>
<p>But what I wonder is how/when/if the WSWA is going to get behind this trend, much less the small producers, who already have their hands full.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for investing the time in responding to those comments, you&#039;ve obviously hit upon a hot topic. I&#039;d be interested to see if there&#039;s an actual rise in demand for the box.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for investing the time in responding to those comments, you&#8217;ve obviously hit upon a hot topic. I&#8217;d be interested to see if there&#8217;s an actual rise in demand for the box.</p>
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