Comments on: Fraud, Italian style http://www.drvino.com/2008/04/04/fraud-italian-style/ wine talk that goes down easy Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:47:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Chuck http://www.drvino.com/2008/04/04/fraud-italian-style/#comment-89789 Chuck Wed, 09 Apr 2008 15:50:55 +0000 http://drvino.com/2008/04/04/fraud-italian-style/#comment-89789 Good on them for training officers. It's funny how wine is treated so differently [so loosely] than other beverages, and foods for that matter. Good on them for training officers. It’s funny how wine is treated so differently [so loosely] than other beverages, and foods for that matter.

]]> By: bobby arifi http://www.drvino.com/2008/04/04/fraud-italian-style/#comment-89470 bobby arifi Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:44:18 +0000 http://drvino.com/2008/04/04/fraud-italian-style/#comment-89470 Owning a restaurant, I can tell you fraud is a definate problem. I have a vast number of people offering to sell wines from their "private collection" I as a rule refuse to buy wines from private collections for a number of reasons. the most important being, chain of command. They have to provide documentation, then it has to be verified and then I have to make sure the wine have been properly stored. It's easy to say I have screaming eagle. (yes there are copies out there). but the easiest way to verify is to call the winery. In most cases, once you tell them you will call the winery to verify they go away. Let's not forget, the Tuscans making cheap chianti's with Nero di Avolo grapes, not so long ago, At the end of the day buyer beware, with so many great wines out there, spend the extra money and buy wines from a trusted source. That is the best protection against fraud. Owning a restaurant, I can tell you fraud is a definate problem. I have a vast number of people offering to sell wines from their “private collection” I as a rule refuse to buy wines from private collections for a number of reasons. the most important being, chain of command. They have to provide documentation, then it has to be verified and then I have to make sure the wine have been properly stored. It’s easy to say I have screaming eagle. (yes there are copies out there). but the easiest way to verify is to call the winery. In most cases, once you tell them you will call the winery to verify they go away.

Let’s not forget, the Tuscans making cheap chianti’s with Nero di Avolo grapes, not so long ago,

At the end of the day buyer beware, with so many great wines out there, spend the extra money and buy wines from a trusted source. That is the best protection against fraud.

]]> By: Tim http://www.drvino.com/2008/04/04/fraud-italian-style/#comment-89464 Tim Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:19:18 +0000 http://drvino.com/2008/04/04/fraud-italian-style/#comment-89464 Yikes! Adulteration is something I often wonder about but without more regulation—or setting up my own chemistry lab and getting a degree to know how to use it—there's no way to really know what's done before wine goes into the bottle. Yikes! Adulteration is something I often wonder about but without more regulation—or setting up my own chemistry lab and getting a degree to know how to use it—there’s no way to really know what’s done before wine goes into the bottle.

]]> By: Bisso http://www.drvino.com/2008/04/04/fraud-italian-style/#comment-89042 Bisso Sat, 05 Apr 2008 11:40:30 +0000 http://drvino.com/2008/04/04/fraud-italian-style/#comment-89042 Guys, the L'Espresso article speaks about wines that are sold for 0,70 to 2,00 euros (shelf-price) IN Italy. This can hardly go to export as it won't pass export control. Why are you so occupied with what mean italians drink? After all wine is not pure chemistry as ****-Cola or wheatever, if you think that you can buy normal wine for a dollar it's purely your choice to poison yourself. I'm just out of a press-conference of Vinitaly's president Luigi Castelletti here at Veronafiere who said that he is going to sue L'Espresso for staining the good name of Vinitaly (becuase of the magazine cover with the word Velenitaly, meaning something like "venomitaly"). Guys, the L’Espresso article speaks about wines that are sold for 0,70 to 2,00 euros (shelf-price) IN Italy. This can hardly go to export as it won’t pass export control. Why are you so occupied with what mean italians drink? After all wine is not pure chemistry as ****-Cola or wheatever, if you think that you can buy normal wine for a dollar it’s purely your choice to poison yourself.

I’m just out of a press-conference of Vinitaly’s president Luigi Castelletti here at Veronafiere who said that he is going to sue L’Espresso for staining the good name of Vinitaly (becuase of the magazine cover with the word Velenitaly, meaning something like “venomitaly”).

]]> By: Morton Leslie http://www.drvino.com/2008/04/04/fraud-italian-style/#comment-88725 Morton Leslie Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:58:24 +0000 http://drvino.com/2008/04/04/fraud-italian-style/#comment-88725 Every country and every growing region has their cheaters, but the Italians seem to engage in it more. Thankfully, most of the cheating is giving the consumer a cheaper and lower quality product than the label indicates. Even when they are caught they come back with a new scam. And often we celebrate them. Like when Fred Franzia was banned from the wine business for five years and fined several million dollars for making White Zin from Thompson. He came back with the idea of moving his bottling to just inside Napa County boundaries, buying up defunct Napa brands, putting California wine in them, and continue to mis-lead with the words Napa on the label. Someone recently voted him winemaker of the year. Maybe Banfi is next. Every country and every growing region has their cheaters, but the Italians seem to engage in it more. Thankfully, most of the cheating is giving the consumer a cheaper and lower quality product than the label indicates. Even when they are caught they come back with a new scam. And often we celebrate them.

Like when Fred Franzia was banned from the wine business for five years and fined several million dollars for making White Zin from Thompson. He came back with the idea of moving his bottling to just inside Napa County boundaries, buying up defunct Napa brands, putting California wine in them, and continue to mis-lead with the words Napa on the label. Someone recently voted him winemaker of the year. Maybe Banfi is next.

]]> By: Gabrio Tosti http://www.drvino.com/2008/04/04/fraud-italian-style/#comment-88716 Gabrio Tosti Fri, 04 Apr 2008 17:18:52 +0000 http://drvino.com/2008/04/04/fraud-italian-style/#comment-88716 The difference is that in Europe there are laws that regulate the winemaking process. These laws allow the law enforcement to investigate and sometimes catch the perpetrators. Chile Australia to a certain extend USA and many other countries do not have rules therefore no need to look for adulteration. I have a question for you; how much must you think is in Yellow Tail? The difference is that in Europe there are laws that regulate the winemaking process. These laws allow the law enforcement to investigate and sometimes catch the perpetrators. Chile Australia to a certain extend USA and many other countries do not have rules therefore no need to look for adulteration. I have a question for you; how much must you think is in Yellow Tail?

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