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		<title>By: Darby</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2007/05/01/the-carbon-footprint-of-wine/#comment-28596</link>
		<dc:creator>Darby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The transport of the heavy bottle is only one factor.  The energy cost of making a bottle for every 750ml of wine consumed is another. There are alternatives, for example refillable wine bottles which have quite significant cost and environmental advantages.
In Australia at least there is a hefty tax on wine (29% + 10% GST).  Depending on where the wine is bottled the tax also applies to the packaging. My friends at ReWine exploit this in their refillable bottle system.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The transport of the heavy bottle is only one factor.  The energy cost of making a bottle for every 750ml of wine consumed is another. There are alternatives, for example refillable wine bottles which have quite significant cost and environmental advantages.<br />
In Australia at least there is a hefty tax on wine (29% + 10% GST).  Depending on where the wine is bottled the tax also applies to the packaging. My friends at ReWine exploit this in their refillable bottle system.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Vino&#8217;s wine blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Carbon footprint: should wine be shipped in bulk tanks?</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2007/05/01/the-carbon-footprint-of-wine/#comment-8308</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Vino&#8217;s wine blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Carbon footprint: should wine be shipped in bulk tanks?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 19:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8220;Shipping wine from Australia in bulk reduces CO2 emissions by 164g for each 75cl bottle, or approximately 40% when compared to bottling at source,&#8221; they write. They continue to say that 10,584 liters of bottled wine fits in one container versus 25,000 liters of wine in a bulk tank. (but did they count for the bottles making a round trip?) [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Shipping wine from Australia in bulk reduces CO2 emissions by 164g for each 75cl bottle, or approximately 40% when compared to bottling at source,&#8221; they write. They continue to say that 10,584 liters of bottled wine fits in one container versus 25,000 liters of wine in a bulk tank. (but did they count for the bottles making a round trip?) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wine Consultant &#187; Carbon</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2007/05/01/the-carbon-footprint-of-wine/#comment-7763</link>
		<dc:creator>Wine Consultant &#187; Carbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 22:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] at Dr Vino there has been much discussion of carbon neutrality, off-sets and the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at Dr Vino there has been much discussion of carbon neutrality, off-sets and the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brook</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2007/05/01/the-carbon-footprint-of-wine/#comment-7742</link>
		<dc:creator>Brook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 05:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a burgeoning environmental lawyer living in Portland, Oregon, I have both a sense of responsibility about my carbon footprint and ready access to some of (in my opinion) the finest Pinot on the planet.  This makes it relatively easy to avoid long-distance consumption, as does our local agriculture in regards to other food products.

Carbon footprint is a sexy topic these days.  A lot of people I know drive hybrid cars (or ride bikes) but buy wine (and food, for that matter) from Europe on a regular basis.  I drive a pickup truck and drink mostly Oregon Pinot.

My point is this: one&#039;s &quot;footprint&quot; is a matter of balance, and a single flight from NY to Portland will likely emit more carbon than all the wine I can drink in a lifetime.  So consume locally if you can (like myself and other lucky posters), and try to mitigate your impact in other ways if you can&#039;t (such as by not drinking bottled water).  We can all go off and live like monks if we wish, and save the planet in the process - but even monks have wine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a burgeoning environmental lawyer living in Portland, Oregon, I have both a sense of responsibility about my carbon footprint and ready access to some of (in my opinion) the finest Pinot on the planet.  This makes it relatively easy to avoid long-distance consumption, as does our local agriculture in regards to other food products.</p>
<p>Carbon footprint is a sexy topic these days.  A lot of people I know drive hybrid cars (or ride bikes) but buy wine (and food, for that matter) from Europe on a regular basis.  I drive a pickup truck and drink mostly Oregon Pinot.</p>
<p>My point is this: one&#8217;s &#8220;footprint&#8221; is a matter of balance, and a single flight from NY to Portland will likely emit more carbon than all the wine I can drink in a lifetime.  So consume locally if you can (like myself and other lucky posters), and try to mitigate your impact in other ways if you can&#8217;t (such as by not drinking bottled water).  We can all go off and live like monks if we wish, and save the planet in the process &#8211; but even monks have wine.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Vino&#8217;s wine blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Carbon neutral: keep wine, ditch water</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2007/05/01/the-carbon-footprint-of-wine/#comment-7732</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Vino&#8217;s wine blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Carbon neutral: keep wine, ditch water</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 20:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the discussion of the carbon footprint of wine here last week, I floated the idea of purchasing carbon offsets to assuage carbon guilt. In case I [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the discussion of the carbon footprint of wine here last week, I floated the idea of purchasing carbon offsets to assuage carbon guilt. In case I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Vino&#8217;s wine blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Getting plowed: Sonoma forests to vineyards</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2007/05/01/the-carbon-footprint-of-wine/#comment-7714</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Vino&#8217;s wine blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Getting plowed: Sonoma forests to vineyards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 21:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] last week&#8217;s posting about the carbon footprint of wine, I intentionally just focused on the often overlooked and carbon-intensive distribution aspects. [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2007/05/01/the-carbon-footprint-of-wine/#comment-7711</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 16:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And don&#039;t forget importing the French oak barrels!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And don&#8217;t forget importing the French oak barrels!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sharp</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2007/05/01/the-carbon-footprint-of-wine/#comment-7657</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 20:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly right, but it applies to the winery and vineyard too. Think about refrigeration lighting pumping etc of course this would depend on how the power is produced. In the vineyard there is the issue of tractors vs manual labor. I suppose that you then have to take into account the relative carbon footprint of the workers?

Also with bottles you need to consider that some new world wineries are using European bottles which have to be shipped to the winery.

It all gets very complicated very fast.

Cheers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly right, but it applies to the winery and vineyard too. Think about refrigeration lighting pumping etc of course this would depend on how the power is produced. In the vineyard there is the issue of tractors vs manual labor. I suppose that you then have to take into account the relative carbon footprint of the workers?</p>
<p>Also with bottles you need to consider that some new world wineries are using European bottles which have to be shipped to the winery.</p>
<p>It all gets very complicated very fast.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2007/05/01/the-carbon-footprint-of-wine/#comment-7646</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 14:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Paul, 

Yes, clearly that work in the vineyard is important too in calculating the carbon footprint of wine. In fact, I sort of took it for granted since I often talk about &quot;green wine&quot; here. But nobody talks about such seemingly tedious things as logistics and transportation, which may actually leave a larger carbon footprint than vineyard activity.

Best,]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Paul, </p>
<p>Yes, clearly that work in the vineyard is important too in calculating the carbon footprint of wine. In fact, I sort of took it for granted since I often talk about &#8220;green wine&#8221; here. But nobody talks about such seemingly tedious things as logistics and transportation, which may actually leave a larger carbon footprint than vineyard activity.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Sharp</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2007/05/01/the-carbon-footprint-of-wine/#comment-7639</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 08:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting post,

You may want to consider a few other things when calculating a “carbon footprint” though. 
The first thing I can think of is the grape production process including tractors, maybe sprays, manual labor, bird netting etc,
Secondly, the wine production process 
Thirdly, the packaging considerations. How far bottles, corks paper products may have been shipped plus the production impacts. 

It could be that wines from the other side of the world have a smaller footprint than local ones in some circumstances.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post,</p>
<p>You may want to consider a few other things when calculating a “carbon footprint” though.<br />
The first thing I can think of is the grape production process including tractors, maybe sprays, manual labor, bird netting etc,<br />
Secondly, the wine production process<br />
Thirdly, the packaging considerations. How far bottles, corks paper products may have been shipped plus the production impacts. </p>
<p>It could be that wines from the other side of the world have a smaller footprint than local ones in some circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Vino</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2007/05/01/the-carbon-footprint-of-wine/#comment-7568</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Vino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 16:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad this has sparked a good discussion! 

Lucky you Sean living nearby a good wine region. But you make a good point about certain items having reached a level of quality elsewhere, making them not easily substitutable, as with the sherry you mention.

Rich- funny re: gout de petrol...And great graph! By the looks of it, eliminating bottled water would be a great carbon offset for wine drinkers! 

And Jack, my researchers are standing by with green visors and calculators awaiting your suggestions on how to compute the carbon load.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad this has sparked a good discussion! </p>
<p>Lucky you Sean living nearby a good wine region. But you make a good point about certain items having reached a level of quality elsewhere, making them not easily substitutable, as with the sherry you mention.</p>
<p>Rich- funny re: gout de petrol&#8230;And great graph! By the looks of it, eliminating bottled water would be a great carbon offset for wine drinkers! </p>
<p>And Jack, my researchers are standing by with green visors and calculators awaiting your suggestions on how to compute the carbon load.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2007/05/01/the-carbon-footprint-of-wine/#comment-7547</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 04:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, so I was expecting the weight of the bottle (full), the mileage, and the actual calculation of the carbon used to get it to you.

Instead, we learn that a heavy bottle went from Mendoza to San Antonio to Oakland to New York. Yep.

But wait, here&#039;s my constructive point - Why not change the duty on alcohol to the weight of the bottle (with liquid)? This would discourage cheap wines from having heavy bottles. Yes, I know, I score mega Wile E. Coyote Green-Wino pts here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so I was expecting the weight of the bottle (full), the mileage, and the actual calculation of the carbon used to get it to you.</p>
<p>Instead, we learn that a heavy bottle went from Mendoza to San Antonio to Oakland to New York. Yep.</p>
<p>But wait, here&#8217;s my constructive point &#8211; Why not change the duty on alcohol to the weight of the bottle (with liquid)? This would discourage cheap wines from having heavy bottles. Yes, I know, I score mega Wile E. Coyote Green-Wino pts here.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2007/05/01/the-carbon-footprint-of-wine/#comment-7546</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 03:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sorry -- trying again: that should have been
(see for example see for example
http://swivel.com/graphs/show/8702323)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry &#8212; trying again: that should have been<br />
(see for example see for example<br />
<a href="http://swivel.com/graphs/show/8702323" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://swivel.com/graphs/show/8702323</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 03:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: &quot;... was there also a whiff of petroleum?&quot;

This is a whole different perspective on _gout de petrol_! :-)

re: &quot;I was intrigued to read in the SF Chronicle that several
restaurants have stopped serving (imported) bottled water because it
is deemed too carbon inefficient.&quot;

Still, considering that bottled water consumption seems to be growing
much more explosively than wine consumption (see for example
), the carbon footprint of wine
isn&#039;t even on the radar screen.  No sweat.  A no-brainer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: &#8220;&#8230; was there also a whiff of petroleum?&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a whole different perspective on _gout de petrol_! <img src='http://www.drvino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>re: &#8220;I was intrigued to read in the SF Chronicle that several<br />
restaurants have stopped serving (imported) bottled water because it<br />
is deemed too carbon inefficient.&#8221;</p>
<p>Still, considering that bottled water consumption seems to be growing<br />
much more explosively than wine consumption (see for example<br />
), the carbon footprint of wine<br />
isn&#8217;t even on the radar screen.  No sweat.  A no-brainer.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 23:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has been on my mind of late, especially in the shadow of the Pennywise event. Like many people, and certainly most people in the food blogosphere, I am deeply interested in eating local. But I do not think this is a black-and-white issue. There are products that have reached culinary heights that could never have existed if they had to rely on a strictly local market. Case in point, I recently had the opportunity to taste some small-batch sherries, not yet available in the US, that would make you weep. If they, and all other sherry producers, had to rely solely on the demand from southwestern Spain and southern Portugal, surely there would be very few producers, and little incentive for the quality to improve.

Wine in the generic is somewhat different. While I occasionally enjoy wines from other parts of the world, I am fortunate to live in San Francisco, where some of the best wine in the world is produced well within a 100-mile radius, so the vast majority of my wine consumption is local. I don&#039;t have to go beyond those boundaries. But again, even as wine-centric as folks are around here, our wine industry could never support the scale it currently does without casting a wider distribution net.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been on my mind of late, especially in the shadow of the Pennywise event. Like many people, and certainly most people in the food blogosphere, I am deeply interested in eating local. But I do not think this is a black-and-white issue. There are products that have reached culinary heights that could never have existed if they had to rely on a strictly local market. Case in point, I recently had the opportunity to taste some small-batch sherries, not yet available in the US, that would make you weep. If they, and all other sherry producers, had to rely solely on the demand from southwestern Spain and southern Portugal, surely there would be very few producers, and little incentive for the quality to improve.</p>
<p>Wine in the generic is somewhat different. While I occasionally enjoy wines from other parts of the world, I am fortunate to live in San Francisco, where some of the best wine in the world is produced well within a 100-mile radius, so the vast majority of my wine consumption is local. I don&#8217;t have to go beyond those boundaries. But again, even as wine-centric as folks are around here, our wine industry could never support the scale it currently does without casting a wider distribution net.</p>
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