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	<title>Comments on: Goose gitmo</title>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-266391</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 04:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the article:
&quot;The food is corn, starchy, empty calories good for fattening he said. This stands in contrast to the balanced diet that the geese received while they were outside.&quot;

In other words: the shoving of corn down the throat (literally in this case) of yet another animal so humans can consume more junk calories a little higher on the food chain.

For all of the comments mocking American meat in the comments above, any distinction seems trivial at best.

If mankind is so content on becoming even more obese eating unnecessary, excessively calorie dense foods, why does he need to exploit other animals to get there? Let&#039;s leave the poor ducks alone and get to work on converting our corn surpluses more directly to a foie gras flavored twinkie if this stuff is so desirable.

While other forms of meat production may be worse in scope and perhaps even more worthy of continued criticism because of it, foie gras deserves its own status as an easy target for both criticism and legislation. Its egregiousness is hard to miss for the animal activist existing in more than just those who hold signs outside of restaurants.</description>
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&#8220;The food is corn, starchy, empty calories good for fattening he said. This stands in contrast to the balanced diet that the geese received while they were outside.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words: the shoving of corn down the throat (literally in this case) of yet another animal so humans can consume more junk calories a little higher on the food chain.</p>
<p>For all of the comments mocking American meat in the comments above, any distinction seems trivial at best.</p>
<p>If mankind is so content on becoming even more obese eating unnecessary, excessively calorie dense foods, why does he need to exploit other animals to get there? Let&#8217;s leave the poor ducks alone and get to work on converting our corn surpluses more directly to a foie gras flavored twinkie if this stuff is so desirable.</p>
<p>While other forms of meat production may be worse in scope and perhaps even more worthy of continued criticism because of it, foie gras deserves its own status as an easy target for both criticism and legislation. Its egregiousness is hard to miss for the animal activist existing in more than just those who hold signs outside of restaurants.</p>
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		<title>By: Some like it hot and high alcohol &#8211; others don&#8217;t &#124; Dr Vino's wine blog</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-261016</link>
		<dc:creator>Some like it hot and high alcohol &#8211; others don&#8217;t &#124; Dr Vino's wine blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the pairings reaffirm the classics such as oysters with muscadet and sauternes with foie gras, so score one for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-259371</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>then pass me your slice... old boy !! And pour me a glass of Monbazillac,,have one yourself too !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>then pass me your slice&#8230; old boy !! And pour me a glass of Monbazillac,,have one yourself too !</p>
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		<title>By: Jos</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-259339</link>
		<dc:creator>Jos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve stopped eating foie gras.  I refuse to encourage such a practice.</description>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-204552</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr PH RAGE.  Please be calm ! You have made a fascinating if not controversial suggestion. 

In the UK the parliament has a fairly bizzare bunch of muddled worthies called MP&#039;s but fortunately we also have something called the House of Lords, largely full of old buffers, who, thank goodness seem to exercise greater wisdom, gravity and balanced thinking than the johnnies in the other place.

Since you suggest the diet of this combined group of worthies is so meat ridden it proves that the more you eat the wiser you become. Dismiss the veggies I say !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr PH RAGE.  Please be calm ! You have made a fascinating if not controversial suggestion. </p>
<p>In the UK the parliament has a fairly bizzare bunch of muddled worthies called MP&#8217;s but fortunately we also have something called the House of Lords, largely full of old buffers, who, thank goodness seem to exercise greater wisdom, gravity and balanced thinking than the johnnies in the other place.</p>
<p>Since you suggest the diet of this combined group of worthies is so meat ridden it proves that the more you eat the wiser you become. Dismiss the veggies I say !!</p>
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		<title>By: PHRAGE</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-204311</link>
		<dc:creator>PHRAGE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 05:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welllllllllllll Bullet Doctor I think your idea of evolution  owes more to Homer Simpson than Charles Darwin.
An examination was recently made of the diets of parliamentarians in their canteen and it was found that their diet was appropriate and balanced- for Lumberjacks. There is a strong basis for the argument that  high intellectual activity and longevity are best supported by a largely vegetarian diet.Furry  plaque lined blood vessels first affect the brain eyes and sex organs.
i do still love a slice of F G  though.
Another struggle of Homerian proportions (or portions) DOH !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welllllllllllll Bullet Doctor I think your idea of evolution  owes more to Homer Simpson than Charles Darwin.<br />
An examination was recently made of the diets of parliamentarians in their canteen and it was found that their diet was appropriate and balanced- for Lumberjacks. There is a strong basis for the argument that  high intellectual activity and longevity are best supported by a largely vegetarian diet.Furry  plaque lined blood vessels first affect the brain eyes and sex organs.<br />
i do still love a slice of F G  though.<br />
Another struggle of Homerian proportions (or portions) DOH !</p>
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		<title>By: BulletDr</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-204291</link>
		<dc:creator>BulletDr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 04:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still do not understand the vegetarian movement that seeks to switch all people who currently consume animal products, to become vegetarians themselves (hello PETA). I can only be thankful that here in the US, the colonists who first settled this country (and the natives they met here) did not have such outlandish ideas or they would&#039;ve starved the first winter. Without a scientific discussion of the ridges that are present on the frontal teeth of all humans, and the anthropological traits they signify (tearing flesh, not grinding plants) I&#039;m left to infer that these people actually believe that post 1900 humans should&#039;ve &quot;evolved&quot; to no longer need to eat flesh? How preposterous!
In my Darwinian model, I believe the PETA folks represent the latest in evolutionary trends in the homo sapien species, and will be proven to be an evolutionary &quot;dead end&quot;. In other words, these people are de-evolving. Left to themselves for several more generations, they should eventually return back to the trees (unlike their ancestors who left the trees to become hunter-gatherers) and disappear altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still do not understand the vegetarian movement that seeks to switch all people who currently consume animal products, to become vegetarians themselves (hello PETA). I can only be thankful that here in the US, the colonists who first settled this country (and the natives they met here) did not have such outlandish ideas or they would&#8217;ve starved the first winter. Without a scientific discussion of the ridges that are present on the frontal teeth of all humans, and the anthropological traits they signify (tearing flesh, not grinding plants) I&#8217;m left to infer that these people actually believe that post 1900 humans should&#8217;ve &#8220;evolved&#8221; to no longer need to eat flesh? How preposterous!<br />
In my Darwinian model, I believe the PETA folks represent the latest in evolutionary trends in the homo sapien species, and will be proven to be an evolutionary &#8220;dead end&#8221;. In other words, these people are de-evolving. Left to themselves for several more generations, they should eventually return back to the trees (unlike their ancestors who left the trees to become hunter-gatherers) and disappear altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: PHRAGE</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-198537</link>
		<dc:creator>PHRAGE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hallelujah ! eureka! finally an articulate well informed apologist for one of earths most delicious foods. thank you  LB whoever you are, and if you wish to taste the best foie gras on earth go to the Auberge de Combes near Lamalou les Bains in Herault France. I think they will ship also.
Cheapest is the stalls at the Central market in Budapest. Bon appetit</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hallelujah ! eureka! finally an articulate well informed apologist for one of earths most delicious foods. thank you  LB whoever you are, and if you wish to taste the best foie gras on earth go to the Auberge de Combes near Lamalou les Bains in Herault France. I think they will ship also.<br />
Cheapest is the stalls at the Central market in Budapest. Bon appetit</p>
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		<title>By: LB</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-198523</link>
		<dc:creator>LB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 06:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify a few points, non migratoy moullard ducks are ued in the foie gras industry, but ONLY in the US, they are no present in signifificant numbers in Europe.
Second, ducks are not humans. Ducks and geese routinely swallow fish far larger and more irregular in shape than a gavage tube. They also swallow stones. Have you ever seen a hen house? Chickens, ducks and geese are kept in small, dark houses because that is what they like. They feel safe in a warm enclosed environment, they are in fact safe, from predators. Just because YOU would not like to spend your life enclosed in a shed being stuffed full of food, does not mean a goose or duck wouldn;t. Do NOT anthropomorphise animals, it is far more disrespectful than eating them, which is what humans evolved to do.
Some foie gras producers are cruel to their animals, not all. there is NO inherent cruelty in foie gras production.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify a few points, non migratoy moullard ducks are ued in the foie gras industry, but ONLY in the US, they are no present in signifificant numbers in Europe.<br />
Second, ducks are not humans. Ducks and geese routinely swallow fish far larger and more irregular in shape than a gavage tube. They also swallow stones. Have you ever seen a hen house? Chickens, ducks and geese are kept in small, dark houses because that is what they like. They feel safe in a warm enclosed environment, they are in fact safe, from predators. Just because YOU would not like to spend your life enclosed in a shed being stuffed full of food, does not mean a goose or duck wouldn;t. Do NOT anthropomorphise animals, it is far more disrespectful than eating them, which is what humans evolved to do.<br />
Some foie gras producers are cruel to their animals, not all. there is NO inherent cruelty in foie gras production.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-156360</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny, foie gras is called what it is.  It means &quot;fatty liver&quot; in French, since the French are the main providers and consumers of it.  They&#039;re not really hiding anything.  Sure, English speakers could call it fatty liver too, but that lacks the international flare, and aural appeal, of the French name.  Much like Bearnaise sauce sounds much better than &quot;buttery egg sauce with spices&quot;.

As far as the ethical debate...  I think the notion of kindness is inappropriate when referring to the treatment of animals raised for food.  I&#039;d prefer they not suffer, but these are animals raised so that we can kill them and eat them.  &quot;Humane killers&quot; sounds like an oxymoron.

Animal activism has improved the care and treatment of animals.  But at the extreme, animal activism envisions a world where no one will ever hurt an animal.  Animal activists need to keep those that deal with animals in line, and everyone else needs to keep animal activists in line.

If you take it to the extreme, either we have dog fighting or the police are knocking on my door because of reports that I used bug spray to kill the spiders in my basement.  Either is absurd, but it&#039;s up to each person to decide where to draw the line.  

If you think forced feeding is not humane, stop eating foie gras.  If you think killing animals is not humane, stop eating animals.  If you think spiders deserve to live, invite them into your house.  Otherwise, keep eating what you eat, doing what you do.  In either case, drop the legislation.  I&#039;ve never eaten foie gras, as it&#039;s not something that really appeals to me, but I want the right to make my own decision on whether or not to buy it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny, foie gras is called what it is.  It means &#8220;fatty liver&#8221; in French, since the French are the main providers and consumers of it.  They&#8217;re not really hiding anything.  Sure, English speakers could call it fatty liver too, but that lacks the international flare, and aural appeal, of the French name.  Much like Bearnaise sauce sounds much better than &#8220;buttery egg sauce with spices&#8221;.</p>
<p>As far as the ethical debate&#8230;  I think the notion of kindness is inappropriate when referring to the treatment of animals raised for food.  I&#8217;d prefer they not suffer, but these are animals raised so that we can kill them and eat them.  &#8220;Humane killers&#8221; sounds like an oxymoron.</p>
<p>Animal activism has improved the care and treatment of animals.  But at the extreme, animal activism envisions a world where no one will ever hurt an animal.  Animal activists need to keep those that deal with animals in line, and everyone else needs to keep animal activists in line.</p>
<p>If you take it to the extreme, either we have dog fighting or the police are knocking on my door because of reports that I used bug spray to kill the spiders in my basement.  Either is absurd, but it&#8217;s up to each person to decide where to draw the line.  </p>
<p>If you think forced feeding is not humane, stop eating foie gras.  If you think killing animals is not humane, stop eating animals.  If you think spiders deserve to live, invite them into your house.  Otherwise, keep eating what you eat, doing what you do.  In either case, drop the legislation.  I&#8217;ve never eaten foie gras, as it&#8217;s not something that really appeals to me, but I want the right to make my own decision on whether or not to buy it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-131845</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam - I agree that all those practices are unkind, and my closing comment was meant to include all the animals raised for food. This is just one example of a MUCH larger issue, unfortunately.  I was actually researching food network&#039;s &quot;Iron Chef&quot; on wikipedia, which led me to learn what foie gras really was.  (funny how these things have fancy names, why not just call it what it is??)  Anyway, just wanted to throw in my personal beliefs about animal treatment.  I&#039;m not going attempt to say where the line is between kind, respectable treatment and inhumane,(because I think an animal can be kept in less than ideal situations and still be humane), but I think it should always be taken into consideration.  I got really upset when God was brought in as justification. 

I&#039;d also like to say that my family raises cattle....which are currently out in pastures eating grass. :) I didn&#039;t know that cows are kept in barns to have light meat, good grief.  Sometimes it would be so much easier to be kept in the dark about these sort of things (no pun intended).  When did food go from survival to vanity??

Last, I probably felt the need to post (I rarely do), because ironically a baby duck was sleeping on my lap as I read the blog.  (We are raising the lone duck our hen hatched in the house, because something would have gotten him had he been left with the big ducks).  He&#039;s very tame, and I wouldn&#039;t dream of treating him that way.  And no, keeping a duck in the house isn&#039;t natural, but I can guarantee he&#039;s happy. 

I have much less of a problem with those that are doing it on their own, for their family.  It&#039;s when animal production gets industrialized that things go all wrong. 

I&#039;m in Kansas fyi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam &#8211; I agree that all those practices are unkind, and my closing comment was meant to include all the animals raised for food. This is just one example of a MUCH larger issue, unfortunately.  I was actually researching food network&#8217;s &#8220;Iron Chef&#8221; on wikipedia, which led me to learn what foie gras really was.  (funny how these things have fancy names, why not just call it what it is??)  Anyway, just wanted to throw in my personal beliefs about animal treatment.  I&#8217;m not going attempt to say where the line is between kind, respectable treatment and inhumane,(because I think an animal can be kept in less than ideal situations and still be humane), but I think it should always be taken into consideration.  I got really upset when God was brought in as justification. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to say that my family raises cattle&#8230;.which are currently out in pastures eating grass. <img src='http://www.drvino.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I didn&#8217;t know that cows are kept in barns to have light meat, good grief.  Sometimes it would be so much easier to be kept in the dark about these sort of things (no pun intended).  When did food go from survival to vanity??</p>
<p>Last, I probably felt the need to post (I rarely do), because ironically a baby duck was sleeping on my lap as I read the blog.  (We are raising the lone duck our hen hatched in the house, because something would have gotten him had he been left with the big ducks).  He&#8217;s very tame, and I wouldn&#8217;t dream of treating him that way.  And no, keeping a duck in the house isn&#8217;t natural, but I can guarantee he&#8217;s happy. </p>
<p>I have much less of a problem with those that are doing it on their own, for their family.  It&#8217;s when animal production gets industrialized that things go all wrong. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m in Kansas fyi.</p>
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		<title>By: tumadoireacht</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-131801</link>
		<dc:creator>tumadoireacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 10:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>stacy has neatly(perhaps unwittingly) referenced a reason for which foie is(gavage) singled out for particular criticism beyond other carnivore habits,namely fear of male oral rape(used to best effect in movie &quot;alien&quot;
anthropomorphism rocks 
free the bees
help the yeasts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stacy has neatly(perhaps unwittingly) referenced a reason for which foie is(gavage) singled out for particular criticism beyond other carnivore habits,namely fear of male oral rape(used to best effect in movie &#8220;alien&#8221;<br />
anthropomorphism rocks<br />
free the bees<br />
help the yeasts</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-131776</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point Jenny !  

Your closing comment begs the definition of &#039;Kindness and respect&#039;.  In view of the fact that all animals in a &#039;Farm&#039; are living [for them] in an artificial and  managed environment, does that mean it is unkind. If not, is feeding cows with grain in a shed kind, when they normally prefer to be grazing on grass outside especially when their guts are designed to eat grass, or keeping salmon or any farmed fish in water cages and fed an artificial diet kind when they normally would be swimming all over the place? Chickens being squashed in huge sheds with little fresh air or space to live and scratch around, cows kept in darkened barns as in Europe to ensure pale meat or geese being content [silly billies] to have another gorging from their captors.. the list goes on and strickly speaking they are all examples of &#039;unkindness&#039;. 
If the foie gras drum is to be beaten, there must surely be a consistency of revulsion and containment of all other unkind and disrespectable practises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point Jenny !  </p>
<p>Your closing comment begs the definition of &#8216;Kindness and respect&#8217;.  In view of the fact that all animals in a &#8216;Farm&#8217; are living [for them] in an artificial and  managed environment, does that mean it is unkind. If not, is feeding cows with grain in a shed kind, when they normally prefer to be grazing on grass outside especially when their guts are designed to eat grass, or keeping salmon or any farmed fish in water cages and fed an artificial diet kind when they normally would be swimming all over the place? Chickens being squashed in huge sheds with little fresh air or space to live and scratch around, cows kept in darkened barns as in Europe to ensure pale meat or geese being content [silly billies] to have another gorging from their captors.. the list goes on and strickly speaking they are all examples of &#8216;unkindness&#8217;.<br />
If the foie gras drum is to be beaten, there must surely be a consistency of revulsion and containment of all other unkind and disrespectable practises.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-131743</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it all comes down to selfishness.  We can justify and rationalize anything if it tastes good enough.   

As for God - You really think shoving a feeding tube down a duck&#039;s neck is what God meant when he gave us &quot;dominion&quot; over animals??? Seriously??? Isn&#039;t the duck God created good enough for us without the force feeding? Are you really telling me that this treatment is our God given right??  I think using God to justify it is just wrong.

I believe treating all animals with kindness and respect during their life is the best way to show thanks for them, even if we do eat them in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it all comes down to selfishness.  We can justify and rationalize anything if it tastes good enough.   </p>
<p>As for God &#8211; You really think shoving a feeding tube down a duck&#8217;s neck is what God meant when he gave us &#8220;dominion&#8221; over animals??? Seriously??? Isn&#8217;t the duck God created good enough for us without the force feeding? Are you really telling me that this treatment is our God given right??  I think using God to justify it is just wrong.</p>
<p>I believe treating all animals with kindness and respect during their life is the best way to show thanks for them, even if we do eat them in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.drvino.com/2006/08/03/goose-gitmo/#comment-121384</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to clarify some of the &quot;facts&quot; about bird biology being thrown about here.

1) The variety of duck used in FG production is a cross between a pekin and a muscovy. Unlike geese, muscovies do not migrate, and Pekins only do so sometimes. It&#039;s a little disingenous to talk about what these ducks do in the wild, because they don&#039;t exist in the wild, and if they did, it&#039;s doubtful they would do much migrating.

2) Even when geese gorge themselves before migrating, they do not gorge themselves to anywhere near the extent forced upon them by gavage. In the former case, their livers may swell to 3 times their normal size; in the latter, up to 10 times their normal size.

3) While the tube down the throat is an unpleasant sight, the force feeding itself is not the biggest concern. What is more concerning is the fact that the bird&#039;s liver becomes so large that it actually smooshes other organs, including the lungs, as well as the fact that liver function becomes extremely impaired. Since the liver is responsible for, among many other things, filtering out metabolic wastes and other toxins, a failing liver means that these wastes continue to circulate, making the poor bird feel quite sick. 

Certainly, there are other animals who are being cruely treated in much larger numbers, but that doesn&#039;t justify continued cruelty to ducks and geese for foie gras.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to clarify some of the &#8220;facts&#8221; about bird biology being thrown about here.</p>
<p>1) The variety of duck used in FG production is a cross between a pekin and a muscovy. Unlike geese, muscovies do not migrate, and Pekins only do so sometimes. It&#8217;s a little disingenous to talk about what these ducks do in the wild, because they don&#8217;t exist in the wild, and if they did, it&#8217;s doubtful they would do much migrating.</p>
<p>2) Even when geese gorge themselves before migrating, they do not gorge themselves to anywhere near the extent forced upon them by gavage. In the former case, their livers may swell to 3 times their normal size; in the latter, up to 10 times their normal size.</p>
<p>3) While the tube down the throat is an unpleasant sight, the force feeding itself is not the biggest concern. What is more concerning is the fact that the bird&#8217;s liver becomes so large that it actually smooshes other organs, including the lungs, as well as the fact that liver function becomes extremely impaired. Since the liver is responsible for, among many other things, filtering out metabolic wastes and other toxins, a failing liver means that these wastes continue to circulate, making the poor bird feel quite sick. </p>
<p>Certainly, there are other animals who are being cruely treated in much larger numbers, but that doesn&#8217;t justify continued cruelty to ducks and geese for foie gras.</p>
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